Hörmann HS4-868-BS Remote Cloning to YNG-06WK9: Red LED Button Code Transfer Issue

User question

byłbym wdzięczny, gdyby ktoś mógł pomóc - chcę przenieść kody z pilota do drzwi garażowych Hormann HS4-868-BS do nowego pilota - chińskiego klonu kompatybilnego. Na oryginalnym pilocie są 4 przyciski, a ja używam 3. Pierwszy przycisk jest z czerwonym podświetleniem, a pozostałe 2 są z niebieskim. Na nowym pilocie wszystkie przyciski są z niebieskim podświetleniem i mogę pomyślnie przenieść tylko kody z przycisków z niebieskim podświetleniem. Procedura nie działa dla przycisku z czerwonym podświetleniem. Co może być przyczyną, jak mogę przenieść kod dla przycisku z czerwonym podświetleniem?
AI: Jaki jest konkretny model lub marka chińskiego klonu pilota, którego używasz?
YNG-06WK9
AI: Czy możesz opisać metodę lub procedurę, której używasz, aby przenieść kody z oryginalnego pilota do klonu?
Naciśnij i przytrzymaj przycisk na nowym pilocie, naciśnij dowolny inny przycisk 3 razy. Następnie naciśnij i przytrzymaj przycisk na oryginalnym pilocie.

Artificial Intelligence Response

Direct answer to the question

• Root cause: On a Hörmann HS4‑868‑BS, the LED color indicates the protocol used by that specific button. Blue = BiSecur (128‑bit), Red = older 868‑MHz “fixed/40‑bit” mode. Your clone (YNG‑06WK9) can’t correctly reproduce Hörmann‑specific signaling for the red‑mode channel, hence the “copy” never works on the real receiver. (manuals.plus)
• How to proceed: You cannot migrate the red‑LED button by face‑to‑face cloning. Use one of these instead:
  • Add the new remote to the opener via the opener’s learn procedure (only if the new remote actually speaks the required Hörmann protocol — most generic clones don’t). (remote-control-world.eu)
  • Use a genuine Hörmann BiSecur (or Hörmann‑compatible) transmitter and perform the official “inherit/teach” method. (device.report)
  • Install an external universal receiver and pair your clone to that receiver, wiring it to the opener’s push‑button input.

Detailed problem analysis

• Per‑button protocol on HS4‑868‑BS:
  • A single HS4‑868‑BS can run each button in either:
  • BiSecur (bidirectional, 128‑bit) → LED shows blue during transmission.
  • Legacy Hörmann 868 (often called “fixed code 868” in manuals; practically, a 40‑bit legacy mode) → LED indications are red when that mode is set for a button. (manuals.plus)
• Why cloning “blue” works for you but “red” doesn’t:
  • Two common misunderstandings occur with multi‑brand cloners: 1) “Learning success” on the clone only means it recorded some RF pattern; it does not guarantee the opener will accept it. With true rolling/encrypted systems (BiSecur), the receiver must still learn/pair that transmitter. Generic cloners often acknowledge “learned,” but the opener ignores them because the cryptographic handshake is missing. (manuals.plus) 2) Hörmann’s legacy 868‑MHz signaling (“fixed/40‑bit”) is proprietary and not the same as generic KeeLoq. Many 280–868‑MHz cloners support fixed code and common rolling code families, yet still cannot reproduce Hörmann’s 868‑40 protocol reliably — hence your red‑button copying fails outright. (manuals.plus)
• The red/blue meaning (important to correct):
  • Manuals for HS/HSZ/HSE BiSecur clearly document: blue sequences are the default BiSecur mode; switching a button into “fixed code 868” is indicated by red LED sequences. That’s the opposite of what is frequently assumed online. (manuals.plus)

Current information and trends

• As of 2025, Hörmann’s BiSecur ecosystem remains closed and uses a 128‑bit scheme; practical third‑party, face‑to‑face “cloning” of a working BiSecur button is not offered by generic multi‑frequency remotes. When BiSecur is involved, you must either:
  • Enroll the new transmitter directly into the opener, or
  • Use an official Hörmann transmitter and the documented “inherit” procedure between Hörmann devices. (handsender.de)
• Many multi‑frequency clones advertise “supports 280–868 MHz, fixed and rolling codes,” but that list typically excludes Hörmann BiSecur and often also struggles with Hörmann’s older 868‑40 signaling. Check capabilities carefully; seeing “868 MHz” alone is not sufficient. (intercyprus.com)

Supporting explanations and details

• How the LED relates to mode on your HS4‑868‑BS:
  • Default/reset: button transmits in BiSecur, LED shows blue.
  • To force a specific button into legacy 868 mode: hold that button while reinserting the battery until the LED cycles and becomes red (the manuals describe the exact red/blue sequences). That per‑button setting is what you are observing on your “red” channel. (manuals.plus)
• “Inheritance/teach” between Hörmann remotes:
  • A Hörmann transmitter with a valid code can put itself into an alternating red/blue “transmit/inherit” state so another Hörmann transmitter can learn the secret. Generic clones do not implement this private procedure and cannot participate in the bidirectional exchange. (device.report)
• Why “press and hold any button three times” on the clone isn’t helping:
  • That sequence only places the clone into its own learning mode. It doesn’t translate the protocol. Without the exact Hörmann modulation, frame structure, and (for BiSecur) handshake, the opener won’t accept it. (manuals.plus)

Ethical and legal aspects

• Attempting to bypass or defeat cryptographic access systems can violate local laws or HOA/insurance terms. Always ensure you own/administer the opener and are authorized to add transmitters. Keep lost/old remotes removed from the opener’s memory for safety.

Practical guidelines

• First, identify what the “red” button controls:
  • If it operates a device that only understands legacy Hörmann 868‑40, a generic clone is unlikely to work. Options: 1) Use a genuine Hörmann transmitter and pair it to that device using its learn button or the remote‑to‑remote “inherit” method. (device.report) 2) Add an external universal receiver:
    • Choose a receiver compatible with your clone (e.g., 433.92 MHz or 868 MHz fixed/rolling supported by the clone).
    • Wire the receiver’s relay output to the opener’s wall‑button terminals; power the receiver from the opener’s 12/24 V accessory supply if available.
    • Pair your YNG‑06WK9 with the external receiver; the relay mimics a wall‑push to trigger the door. This bypasses Hörmann radio but preserves safety functions of the opener.
  • If the red button currently targets a Hörmann operator that actually supports BiSecur, consider converting that button on the HS4‑868‑BS to BiSecur (blue) and then pairing a proper BiSecur‑capable remote to the opener. Be aware: changing the button’s mode will stop it from working with any legacy‑only receiver. (manuals.plus)
• If you want to try adding the clone directly to the opener (low chance with generic clones):
  • Put the Hörmann drive into learn/program mode (P/PRG or “Menu 11” depending on model), then press the desired button on the new remote. If the drive confirms and stores it, you’re done; if not, the clone is incompatible. (remote-control-world.eu)
• Sanity checks before more work:
  • Fresh batteries in both remotes; verify that the red‑LED button on the original still operates the target device.
  • Check distance/orientation during any learning steps; keep remotes within a few centimeters during teach‑in.

Possible disclaimers or additional notes

• Terminology in Hörmann documents can be confusing: “fixed code 868” in the manuals refers to their older 868‑MHz mode which is not the same as simplistic DIP‑switch fixed‑code used by other brands; it’s often a 40‑bit legacy scheme specific to Hörmann. (handsender.de)
• Some third‑party vendors claim “Hörmann‑compatible” 868 remotes; reliability varies, and many still require programming to the opener rather than cloning from an existing remote.

Suggestions for further research

• Identify the exact opener/receiver model (e.g., SupraMatic, ProMatic, or an add‑on receiver). With the model number, we can confirm which radio modes it supports and give step‑by‑step programming instructions from the service manual. (remote-control-world.eu)
• If you want a compact, vehicle‑friendly solution, consider an official Hörmann remote model with the form factor you prefer (HSE, HS, HSZ series) and we can outline the exact “inherit” procedure between the two Hörmann remotes. (device.report)

Brief summary

• Your HS4‑868‑BS’s red‑LED button is in Hörmann’s legacy 868‑MHz mode; blue‑LED buttons are BiSecur. Generic multi‑frequency clones like YNG‑06WK9 cannot reliably copy either mode in a way the Hörmann receiver will accept, so face‑to‑face cloning of the red channel won’t succeed. Use a genuine Hörmann transmitter (and inherit/pair it) or add an external universal receiver and pair your clone to that. (manuals.plus)

If you tell me which opener model that red button controls, I’ll give you the exact programming steps that have the highest chance of working.

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