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Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

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  • A practical overview of Polish CEMI UCY74xx TTL logic gates covers NAND, NOR, NOT, AND, and AND-OR-INVERT chips.
  • Each circuit is explained with Boolean equations, truth tables, and button-driven video demos, including open-collector and buffered output variants.
  • Examples include UCY7401, UCY7402, UCY7404, UCY7406, UCY7407, UCY7408, UCY7410, UCY7420, UCY7430, UCY7450, and UCY7451; UCY7406 can switch loads up to 30V.
  • The demonstrations show LEDs responding exactly to the logic tables, such as a single button for UCY7402 and either button pair for UCY7450.
  • The selection is not exhaustive, and more complex sequential and combinational UCY circuits are promised in a later post.
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  • Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    Here’s a brief, practical overview of the popular logic gates from the Polish UCY74xx series. I’ve focused here on providing a practical illustration of how each circuit works. Below you’ll find a discussion of the classic chips that implement NAND, NOR, NOT and AND functions. I have described each gate using the relevant Boolean equation and truth table, and I have combined theory with practice using video recordings in which I demonstrate how these circuits respond to logic states triggered by buttons.

    The original 7400 series, introduced into mass production by Texas Instruments, was one of the first digital integrated circuits manufactured using TTL technology. Over the years, these circuits have seen many versions, such as the high-speed (74S) and low-current (74LS) variants, as well as CMOS versions (the HC and HCT series). The specific letter designations depended on the version and manufacturer – for example, in Poland these chips were manufactured by CEMI under the name UCY. During the heyday of TTL technology, and thus at the turn of the 1970s and 1980s, this was the fundamental building block of digital electronic circuits.

    UCY series circuits are available in versions with different output stage configurations. Alongside standard outputs, the list below also includes open-collector versions (allowing, amongst other things, the control of higher-voltage loads) and buffered versions (with increased current capacity, used to drive more demanding components).

    The UCY7401 comprises four two-input open-collector NAND gates. These implement the negated logical product (NAND) function.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{A \cdot B}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high level only when at least one of the inputs is at a low level:
    A B Y
    1 1 0
    0 X 1
    X 0 1

    UCY7401 pinout:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    Video demonstration – the LED is connected between the output and the power supply, so when it lights up, this indicates a low state. For the sake of simplicity, I’ve connected the inputs to earth, even though with TTL this requires slightly lower resistor values and draws more current; however, I wanted pressing a button to indicate a high state. The video shows that the LED lights up only when both buttons are pressed.




    UCY7402 these are four two-input NOR gates. They implement the negated logical OR (NOR).
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{A + B}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high state only when all inputs are in a low state:
    A B Y
    1 X 0
    X 1 0
    0 0 1

    UCY7402 pinout:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    Video demonstration – unlike the previous video, now you just need to press a single button to light up the LED:




    UCY7404 consists of six NOT inverters. They perform the logical NOT function.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{A}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high state only when the input is low:
    A Y
    0 1
    1 0

    UCY7404 pin-out:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The 7404 video presentation hardly needs any commentary:



    UCY7406 is also a six-channel NOT inverter, but in this case with open-collector outputs.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    This also allows for the control of loads powered by higher voltages (in the case of the 7406, up to 30V, which facilitates, for example, the control of relays) and for the direct connection of multiple outputs to one another on a single signal line.

    UCY7407 These are six non-inverting open-collector buffers. They act as logic buffers.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = A$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high level only when the input is high:
    A Y
    0 0
    1 1

    UCY7407 pinout:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates


    UCY7408 these are four two-input AND gates. They implement the logical product (AND).
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = A \cdot B$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high level only when all inputs are high:
    A B Y
    1 1 1
    0 X 0
    X 0 0

    UCY7408 pinout:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    As the operation of this circuit is self-explanatory, I shall omit the presentation.


    UCY7410 is a circuit comprising three three-input NAND gates. These implement the logical NOT-AND (NAND) function.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{A \cdot B \cdot C}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high state only when at least one of the inputs is in a low state:
    A B C Y
    1 1 1 0
    0 X X 1
    X 0 X 1
    X X 0 1

    Derivations:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    Video presentation:






    UCY7420 are two four-input NAND gates. They implement the negated logical AND (NAND) function.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{A \cdot B \cdot C \cdot D}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high state only when at least one of the inputs is in a low state:
    A B C D Y
    1 1 1 1 0
    0 X X X 1
    X 0 X X 1
    X X 0 X 1
    X X X 0 1

    Video presentation:



    This circuit is also available in a buffered version – UCY7440 – with increased output current capacity, allowing it to drive a heavier load.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

    UCY7430 is a circuit comprising a single eight-input NAND gate. It performs the logical NOT AND (NAND) function for as many as eight variables.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{A \cdot B \cdot C \cdot D \cdot E \cdot F \cdot G \cdot H}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a high state only when at least one of the eight inputs is in a low state:
    A B C D E F G H Y
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
    0 X X X X X X X 1
    X 0 X X X X X X 1
    X X 0 X X X X X 1
    X X X 0 X X X X 1
    X X X X 0 X X X 1
    X X X X X 0 X X 1
    X X X X X X 0 X 1
    X X X X X X X 0 1

    UCY7430 pinout:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    I’ve skipped the video this time; it’s essentially the same as before – you can just picture eight buttons.

    UCY7450 is a chip containing two two-input AND-OR-INVERT (AND-NOR), one of which is expandable. They implement a complex logical function.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    The function can be expressed by the formula:
    $$Y = \overline{(A \cdot B) + (C \cdot D)}$$
    The truth table shows that the function returns a low state only when both inputs of the first or second product are in a high state:
    A B C D Y
    1 1 X X 0
    X X 1 1 0
    0 X 0 X 1
    0 X X 0 1
    X 0 0 X 1
    X 0 X 0 1

    UCY7450 pinout:
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
    This is clearly shown in the video demonstration – I have to press either the first pair of buttons or the second pair of buttons for the LED to light up:



    The UCY7451 is a chip containing two two-input AND-OR-INVERT (AND-NOR) gates. It performs the same logical function as the 7450 model, but does not have pins for an expander (this chip is not expandable).
    UCY7451 pins:
    Logic diagram of IC 7451 with labeled pins, including VCC and GND, and internal gate connections.
    Video presentation:





    That’s enough for now. Of course, these weren’t all the circuits in this series, as the range produced by CEMI was very extensive. I’ve actually left quite a lot out, as I’ve focused here exclusively on the simplest logic gates – I intend to cover more complex sequential and combinational circuits in a separate post. Take the UCY7475, for example – it’s already waiting in my drawer to be connected.

    What else is in store for a presentation? Too many to list and write down – a wide variety of circuits, but including, amongst others, the UCY7475, UCY7472, UCY74150, UCY75107, UCY74164, 7U4154PC, MC146818P, MH74141, MH7490A, UCA6473 and ULY7710.

    To sum up, the old UCY series chips, despite the passage of several decades, are still fully functional and fascinating components. Their simple, purely hardware-based nature makes them excellent material for learning the basics of digital technology. I’d encourage everyone to dig these classics out of a drawer and have a go experimenting with them on a breadboard.

    Have you come across circuits like these, and if so, when, in which devices, and how would you rate their reliability?

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    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:

    To sum up, the old UCY series chips, despite the passage of several decades, are still fully functional and fascinating components. Their simple, purely hardware-based nature makes them excellent material for learning the basics of digital technology. I encourage everyone to dig these classics out of a drawer and have a go experimenting with them on a breadboard.
    Have you come across such chips, and if so, when, in which devices, and how would you rate their reliability?

    As well as the CEMI chips, I have a few Soviet equivalents of the K155 – a piece of electronic history. I remember the EdW series ‘First Steps in Digital Electronics’ and the picture of a dinosaur representing the UCY7400 :) . I sometimes go back to them and build retro circuits, such as RAM using the UCY7489 (it’s interesting that a single chip like this draws up to 100mA). As for the practicality of using such chips today, apart from for educational purposes or out of nostalgia, there isn’t much point.
    It’s very common that even unused chips, left gathering dust in warehouses, simply don’t work after several decades! (Or perhaps they never worked in the first place). I recently built a line transmitter-receiver using the UCY75110 and UCY75108, and the circuits with the UCY75108 had a short circuit on the power supply; they didn’t respond to the control inputs, etc. They were bought new – you can tell from the extended pins. Only the original National Semiconductor SN75... chips worked, so reliability varied.
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    You’ve actually given me an idea for a DIY project – perhaps a tester for circuits like this, in some form, e.g. based on a PIC18F4550, might not be such a bad idea.
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    That’s a good idea. I use the TL866II PLUS (XGRPO) programmer; it has a ‘test logic’ function for TTL and CMOS, and you can create your own tests.
  • TTL advantages over CD40 series discussed

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    I don’t think I’ve ever had so many different 74-series TTL chips on my desk at the same time. I wonder in what way the 74 series might have been better than the CMOS CD40 series? Perhaps the versions mentioned with higher output current, or open-collector (OC) outputs, or greater resistance to electrostatic discharge, or the faster versions?

    Apart from the UCY, I’m also familiar with the TTL UCA with a wider operating temperature range – the so-called ‘military’ versions.
  • Request for ideas on using UCY74xx chips

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    This is, of course, thanks to the reader who gave them to me. Do you have any ideas what else I could make with them? I also need to have a proper stock-take, but for now the number of parcels I’m receiving from people is increasing rather than decreasing; I’ll probably only catch up come winter. Although… it’s good that the number is growing; if anyone has anything interesting to send, I’ll gladly accept it.
    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
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    This generator can have quite a low THD, and it’s worth having a look inside it 😀
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    >>21944559
    There was also the UCY74Axx series (not UCA74xx), presumably manufactured under a Soviet licence. They were a bit slower but had slightly higher power consumption.
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    :smile: In 1983 a series began at Radioelektronik a series began Fundamentals of Digital Technology :idea:

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

    This is the first page of issue 7–8 .

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

    And here is the table of contents from volume 83 .

    📘 Re is available :arrow: here :cunning:
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    Generally speaking, the 4000 series (40), manufactured using CMOS technology, is considerably slower than even the old 74 series. However, the 4000 series can operate at voltages ranging from approximately 3V to 18V, whilst the 74 series required a 5V supply; newer CMOS versions, such as the 74HC, can operate from approximately 2V to 6V. The 4000 series chips are also more resistant to interference.
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    Interesting material, @_ACeK_. By the way, when I was working on this topic, I based my work on the documentation for the “UCY 74 / UCA 64", and one thing surprised me there – that although it’s in Polish and practically everything has been translated, "OPEN COLLECTOR" (in capital letters) has been left in its English form.
    Scanned datasheet page “Seria UCY 74…/UCY 64…” with a TTL parameter table and the term OPEN COLLECTOR.
    I’ve attached the whole document as a PDF; there’s more information about these chips in there.
    Attachments:
    • UCY74xx.pdf (1.59 MB) You must be logged in to download this attachment.
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  • Mention of Polish DTL circuit symbols forgotten

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    In the mid-1980s, for two years, I worked with the Odra 1325 computer as one of several technicians responsible for ensuring its trouble-free operation. Admittedly, my work was mainly on the mechanical side – that is, the printer, the card rewinders and the card punches. The whole system was built using TTL circuits combined with transistors.
    Digital circuits were also present in two of our tape recorders, the ‘Koncert’ and the ‘Marcin’, where they were responsible for controlling the whole system.
    A few handfuls of such old bits and bobs are still lying somewhere at the back of a cupboard.
    There were also Polish circuits using DTL technology, but I’ve forgotten what their symbols were.
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    :smile: A diagram of my first circuit on TTL . Sort of digital, a bit analogue :wink:

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

    The description was on MT and later in a book Simple Electronic Circuits . Link to the description :arrow: here :cunning:
  • UCA64xx and UCA54xx grade distinctions explained

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    I suppose I’m a bit of an old-timer in electronics now, if I’ve got several thousand of these chips and don’t know what to do with them.

    To add to that:
    - The UCA64xx series were professional-grade chips with a wider temperature range,
    - The UCA54xx series were military-grade chips in ceramic casings; these were rare.
    Of course, military equipment mainly used the UCA64xx. There were also some from Tesla and the USSR, as well as imports from the West – often original TI chips.

    Industry in the People’s Republic of Poland produced testers for these chips; I’ve got one lying about in a drawer somewhere.
  • Early digital circuits were unreliable on circuit boards

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    I remember the first time I heard about digital circuits (back in primary school); I was thrilled that you could do something without any ‘magical’ knowledge – all you needed was logical thinking.
    But it wasn’t all plain sailing, because – at least in my neighbourhood – finding the right literature was like winning the lottery. It was only with the collapse of the ‘one and only correct’ political system that things started to happen. It was an incredible thrill when a circuit worked first time round, but there were some real oddities – out of 10 (functional) circuits, only three would work when built into a circuit board; ‘it must have been down to the precision of the manufacturing’.
  • Airtight seal failure causes long-term IC corrosion

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    Simon79 wrote:
    It’s very common for even unused circuits and sun loungers sitting in warehouses to simply stop working after several decades! (Or perhaps they never worked in the first place).

    I read somewhere that this is due to the plastic casing losing its airtight seal at the pin connections. Moisture gets in, causing corrosion where the pins connect to the silicon structure, and the structure itself also degrades.

    Although, out of all the CEMI digital circuits I’ve come across so far, I’ve only had one that was unused and immediately faulty.

    The same thing happens with the Polish BC14x series transistors in those plastic casings with a cut-off corner.
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    CMOS circuits were significantly less current-hungry than TTL circuits, but were not very resistant to electrostatic discharge.
  • TTL chips often failed by overheating or Tesla parts were unreliable

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    My first circuit using TTL components was an RS flip-flop built using two gates from a hard-to-find 7400 :-) You can also cobble together such a flip-flop using two transistors, but here there are no additional components, just a few connections between the pins of the ‘chip’. I found it fascinating at the time 🙂
    My own joyful creative endeavours, back in the days when shop shelves were dominated by tea and vinegar, later resulted in various clocks, including darkroom clocks, frequency counters, an electronic drum kit clocked by a ‘digital watch’, and so on. Ah, and then, around Year 1 or 2 of secondary school, a TV Pong game based on an article in *Radioelektronik*. What an experience that was – the excitement of the matches during every break on the TV in the common room ;) I wrote about these memories once HERE .

    As for the unreliability of TTLs, here’s an interesting anecdote from their heyday, at least on this side of the Iron Curtain. Around the mid-1980s, I had a stint working as a service technician for numerically controlled (CNC – I suppose that’s what they call it today ;-) ) machine tools. The main unit – I’m not sure what the correct term is – the controller (back then we probably just called it the ‘electronics cabinet’) – was built entirely using TTLs. No processors, no RAM, no ROM. There were about 10 circuit boards or panels, each with a dozen or so, perhaps around 20 integrated circuits. The programme controlling the machine tool was read from a punched tape.
    I remember one method for quickly detecting a faulty chip, without any in-depth analysis or measurements: it was when it overheated. Precise temperature measurement, of course, using your fingers ;-) Another quick method: if a Czechoslovakian Tesla-manufactured TTL chip was on the faulty panel, replacing it blindly often meant ‘hit the nail on the head’. I’ve no idea why that was the case; perhaps the Tesla chips were already starting to leak back then? ;-) I only remember that, due to widespread shortages of everything, the panels would sometimes feature a hodgepodge ranging from our domestic CEMI-produced UCY chips, through Tesla chips (not to be confused with a certain Elon’s company), and I think there were also some Western ones, perhaps even Soviet TTLs, but I don’t remember that exactly.

    As for modern experimentation with TTLs, I suppose the one that stands out most for me – to this day I don’t even know how to describe it… in any case, it was certainly extraordinary – was presented a few years ago HERE a project for a working… calculator! Probably several hundred “chips” :-O
    Perhaps a colleague who has a few thousand “chips” could get in touch with the author of that thread? They might come in handy for the next project? The author of the calculator in question was hinting that this isn’t the end of it… I don’t know, perhaps he’s building the equivalent of an Z80 using TTLs? Or perhaps some sort of i9, or another Ryzen model? ;-) EDIT: I didn’t read that thread properly, or I’ve forgotten – well, a personal ID number is what it is; you can’t change it. Here are the details: HERE . Apparently, about 6,000 chips are needed. No comment... ;-)

    In any case, I’m glad that the cubes from the boxes I know have finally seen the light of day. Oops… ;-)
  • Poor solderability of Polish UCY chips

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    In 1978, I did a work placement at Mera Elzab in Zabrze, where they manufactured CRT terminals with keyboards, made entirely from TTL chips. One of the stages involved tinning the chip leads before soldering them onto the circuit boards. A great many Polish UCY chips were rejected during production at that time because the pins wouldn’t hold the tin. Generally speaking, the production team complained about the quality of Polish-made components, with the main problem being pins that were impossible to solder. There were no such problems with chips from Czechoslovakia or the GDR. This ‘scrap’ then became the basis for my first computer, built mainly from Polish UCY chips, but also incorporating Czechoslovakian and Soviet chips. Nevertheless, these components inspired me, steering my passion for electronics towards digital circuits, which continues to have a positive impact to this day. That’s why I still have a soft spot for these simple chips and, of course, I have a sizeable stock of them.
  • UCA64xx and UCA54xx series distinctions

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    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    You’ve actually given me an idea for a DIY project – perhaps a tester for circuits like this, in some form, e.g. based on the PIC18F4550, might not be such a bad idea…






    :smile: Here’s the AVR version :idea:

    IS wrote:
    To add to that:
    - The UCA64xx series were professional-grade devices with a wider temperature range,
    - The UCA54xx series were military-grade devices in ceramic casings, and are rare.


    😇 There was also a special version for Bomis e.g. UC 74xx :wink:

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates


    Stanley_P wrote:
    My first circuit using TTLs was an RS flip-flop based on two gates from a hard-to-find 7400…


    :twisted: Such an RS was used by Mr Stanisław Gardynik in MIK07 .

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

    🙃 Here are my ramblings MIK07 in version smd :cunning:

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  • UCY75450 series with 300 mA output transistors

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    Far more interesting by today’s standards is the TTL UCY75450 series, 451 and 452, where the input is a TTL NAND/AND gate, and the output stages feature medium-power transistors rated at 300mA (800mW), 30V UCS and a switching time of approx. 40ns, as in the case of the UCY75450N. There was also the UCY75325 (a ferrite memory controller) with similar specifications, but I can’t find a PDF for it. Interestingly, they’re still appearing on the market. A loooong time ago, using the 74132, 7493, 74154 and 75450, I made a set of flashing Christmas tree lights using 32 6V bulbs. They worked for about 10 years until Russian and Chinese flashing lights came onto the market.
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    Have you heard of MINT’s YouTube channel? The lad has built a processor using old EPROMs (the ones with a window for UV erasure) and TTL chips Link
  • RS flip-flops as simple 1-bit memory in TTL systems

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    _ACeK_ wrote:
    Stanley_P wrote:
    My first circuit using TTL chips was an RS flip-flop built using two 7400 gates that I’d managed to get hold of with some difficulty…

    Mr Stanisław Gardynik used such an RS flip-flop in the MIK07.

    Hmm, an RS flip-flop is probably one of the simplest circuits – a 1-bit memory that stores, for example, the presses of monostable buttons such as Start/Stop. The Koncert tape recorder was mentioned here. I came across it during its heyday; it was installed at one of the local community centres. I didn’t have a circuit diagram at the time, but I didn’t really need one, as the equipment was working fine back then ;-)
    Just a moment ago, out of sheer curiosity, for the first time in my life (and perhaps the last), I had a look at the documentation for this tape recorder and its control system – I can see loads of RS signals in there... :-) I’m sure there was no shortage of them in the machine tools I mentioned, and in all sorts of similar TTL-based equipment from that period.

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates

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    carrot wrote:
    Do you know MINT’s YouTube channel? The lad built a processor using old EPROMs (the ones with a window for UV erasure) and TTL circuits. Link

    To be honest, especially at this time of year, it’s a bit of a shame to waste the lovely weather and the long days just browsing. It’s probably brilliant, loads of likes. But what’s the point? Just like the previously mentioned thread about a TTL-based calculator, or perhaps, in time, a so-and-so-bit TTL computer.
  • TTL logic used in tape recorders and Odra 1305

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    Stanley_P wrote:
    The Koncert tape recorder was mentioned here. I had some experience with it during its heyday

    It wasn’t just the Koncert that had a TTL-based ‘controller’. The MDS442, the popular ‘drawer’ model, also had its entire logic based on TTLs. On top of that, it featured a monolithic UL7505 regulator in a TO-3 metal casing.

    Digital TTLs were also frequently used in non-standard roles, for example in oscilloscope circuits for the time base and trigger generators, as well as the so-called ‘chopping’ generator. And as a rule, these were standard TTL versions rather than CMOS, due to their speed of operation.
    Stanley_P wrote:
    or perhaps, in due course, a so-and-so-bit TTL computer.

    The Odra 1305 computer was based entirely on TTL circuits. It was a 24-bit machine. Building such a computer today would therefore be nothing groundbreaking. Apart from the fact that it would take a great deal of time and money.
  • TTL suitability for a steep-slope signal generator

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    The fact that they used TTL in the Odra 1305 was a step forward compared to the transistor-based 1304; in fact, the 1002 prototype contained both valves and germanium transistors.

    I wasn’t aware of the UC TTL designations for BOMIS – an interesting point. Substandard transistors and resistors were the norm in BOMIS, but UC components might have been a cheap alternative for those experimenting with digital circuits.

    Would TTLs be suitable nowadays for building a steep-slope signal generator?
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    AI suggests that the complete Odra 1305 system contained over 50,000 TTL integrated circuits. I find that hard to believe – could anyone confirm this using a reliable source?
    And to think that perhaps just one faulty TTL chip was enough to bring the whole computer to a standstill.

    And it drew over 3.5 kVA of power.
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    _ACeK_ wrote:
    There was also a special version for Bomis, e.g. UC 74xx


    Probably not.
    The designation
    UC without a letter indicated that it was intended for general-purpose equipment.
    UCY – for professional equipment.
    There was also UCX, where X denoted prototype equipment or a special custom-made circuit.

    Bomis tended to receive anything that was unsuitable for sale ;)
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    Stanley_P wrote:
    To be honest, especially at this time of year, it’s a bit of a shame to miss out on the weather and the long days just to pop in. It’s probably brilliant, loads of likes.

    This particular project is in a league of its own compared to a calculator. The bloke who came up with it was a genius; I downloaded the processor design, had a look at the schematics and I’ve no idea how it works – there’s no logic to it at all!!!
    The entire state machine is on EPROMs.
  • UC, UCY, and UCX series designation meanings

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    gregor124 wrote:
    UC without a letter – indicated use in consumer equipment.
    UCY – for professional equipment.
    There was also the UCX series, where the ‘X’ denoted prototype equipment or a special custom-made circuit.

    As mentioned earlier, there was also the UCA64xx series, with a wider operating temperature range.

    That said, even in consumer equipment I’ve never come across any series other than the UCY74xx; those with a truncated designation of just two letters (UC) were probably a rarity. I, too, had always assumed that these two-letter ‘UC’ parts were rather ‘substandard’ goods that did not meet the specified parameters.
  • UCY74xx catalogue codes and temperature ranges

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    In the CEMI catalogue, it’s listed as follows:
    First letter:
    U – bipolar circuit
    M – MOS / unipolar
    Second letter:
    C – digital circuit
    L – analogue
    The third letter indicated the application:
    A – special
    Y – professional
    T – professional with enhanced reliability
    None – general-purpose equipment
    There is no information regarding defective items.
    Interestingly, the first digit indicated the permissible operating temperature range.
    From 4 to 8.
    And one other range?
    Those with a ‘5’ had the widest range – from –55 to +125 °C.
    For a ‘6’, the range was –40 to 85 °C.

    Interestingly, one catalogue lists X, whilst another lists Y.

    And by the way, if anyone remembers the AMIGA home computer, this is what the prototype built using TTL chips looked like.

    Retro features: the Polish UCY74xx series from CEMI – an overview of sample logic gates
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