User question
Deviser S30 Short
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Direct answer to the question
- You’re almost certainly dealing with the Deviser S30 satellite meter reporting an “LNB short” (over‑current on the 13/18 V feed through the F‑connector). In practice, this is most often caused by an external short on the coax/connector/LNB, and less often by an internal failure of the S30’s LNB power/protection circuit.
- Key points:
- First isolate: unplug the coax from the S30. If the short indication clears, the fault is in the cable, connectors, splitters/DiSEqC, or the LNB. If it persists with no cable attached, the fault is inside the S30.
- Typical external culprits: shielding whisker touching the center conductor, water ingress, crushed cable, failed LNB, or a faulty DC‑pass device (splitter/DiSEqC/multiswitch).
- Typical internal culprits: shorted TVS/ESD suppressor at the RF port, cracked shorted MLCC on the LNB rail, blown high‑side protection FET or current‑sense path, or a damaged LNB power controller.
Detailed problem analysis
- Functional overview:
- The S30 powers an LNB via the F‑connector at ≈13 V (vertical) or ≈18 V (horizontal) and can superimpose a 22 kHz tone/DiSEqC signaling. It monitors current via a sense element; if current exceeds a limit (typical hand‑held meters: ~0.35–0.5 A), it declares “short” and shuts or folds the output down to protect itself.
- External short scenarios (most common):
- F‑connector termination: a single braid “hair” or foil tab contacting the center conductor, or the center pin not protruding properly, will hard‑short V+ to chassis.
- Water ingress: moisture inside the F‑connector, LNB feed, or within the coax wicks along the dielectric and forms a resistive/near‑short path.
- Passive hardware: a DC‑pass splitter, diseqc switch, or multiswitch with internal failure may present a short or an abnormally heavy load.
- LNB failure: internal regulator/ESD device shorted; some LNBs fail dead‑short after lightning/ESD.
- Internal short scenarios (if error persists with no cable):
- TVS/ESD device at the F‑port: these are designed to fail short to protect downstream circuitry; when shorted, you’ll read near‑0 Ω from center pin to chassis.
- Cracked MLCC on the LNB rail: common where the rail is bypassed near the port or the DC/DC stage; hairline‑cracked ceramics often become resistive/short.
- High‑side protection MOSFET or dedicated LNB power IC: a punch‑through failure can short the rail; less common than a shorted TVS/MLCC.
- Current‑sense/amplifier mis‑report: rare, but an offset in the sense amplifier or drifted sense resistor can cause “false short” indications even without an actual short.
- Expected measurements (guide values):
- With S30 powered off, coax disconnected: measure DC resistance between the S30 F‑connector center and shell.
- Healthy instrument (no internal short): typically >100 kΩ (through protection/IC leakage).
- Obvious short: <10 Ω indicates a real short on the output rail or port protection.
- On the detached coax run (at the loose cable end): between center and shield should be open (>1 MΩ). If <10–50 Ω, your cable path/LNB is shorted.
- LNB current draw (bench test via bias‑T or external LNB power inserter): 13 V or 18 V, most single LNBs draw ~100–250 mA steady; >300 mA is suspicious; a true short will surge to your current limit immediately.
Current information and trends
- The S30 is a handheld DVB‑S/S2 meter with built‑in LNB power, spectrum view, and short‑circuit/over‑current protection. Modern meters auto‑recover after a short clears and typically limit current in the few‑hundred‑mA range. Newer generations of meters add more granular fault codes (short vs overload vs open‑circuit), but the diagnostic process below remains valid.
Supporting explanations and details
- Why the “short” appears immediately:
- The S30 samples the voltage drop across a current‑sense element; if the drop exceeds a firmware threshold, it disables the high‑side switch and flags the error.
- Why whiskers and water are so prevalent:
- The LNB feed is DC‑coupled; even minute conductive paths at DC trigger the limit, though RF at GHz may still pass—hence you can see “short” even when RF connectors look “okay” visually.
- Typical internal schematic blocks (conceptual):
- F‑connector → ESD/TVS clamp to chassis → series protection (PTC or MOSFET switch) → current sense (shunt + amplifier) → DC/DC generation and tone/DiSEqC coupling → controller.
Ethical and legal aspects
- Warranty/safety: opening the S30 usually voids warranty. If under warranty or required by employer policy, use authorized service.
- ESD and rooftop work: use ESD precautions when boards are exposed; follow fall protection and NEC grounding/bonding practices for satellite coax runs.
- Environmental: dispose of damaged Li‑ion batteries and electronic waste properly.
Practical guidelines
- Fast isolation (no tools beyond a DMM):
- Power off S30; remove coax. Power on.
- If “short” clears → investigate external chain.
- If “short” persists → go to internal checks.
- External chain checks:
- Re‑terminate both F‑connectors: trim dielectric flush, ensure no braid/foil can touch center; use compression connectors where possible.
- Inspect for moisture/corrosion; replace suspect connectors/cable runs. If the dielectric looks dark/green, replace that section.
- Bypass accessories: connect S30 directly to the LNB; if clear, re‑insert devices one‑by‑one to catch the culprit.
- Swap LNB with a known‑good unit.
- DMM test: at the far end (LNB side disconnected), measure between center/shield; anything below hundreds of kilo‑ohms indicates a fault.
- Internal quick triage (qualified tech only):
- With unit off and open, locate the port‑side protection parts:
- TVS diode: usually the closest SMD device from the center‑pin trace to chassis (often SMBJ/SMAJ footprint). In‑circuit DMM diode‑mode both ways ≈0 V is suspicious. Temporarily remove to see if the short clears; replace with same standoff voltage part afterward (do not operate long‑term without it).
- Port MLCCs: check small 0402–0805 capacitors from the LNB rail to ground near the port/DC/DC; lift one pad to identify a shorted part.
- High‑side FET and sense resistor: check for drain‑source short; verify sense resistor value against markings.
- Bench confirmation (optional but decisive):
- Use a bias‑T and a current‑limited bench supply at 13 V and 18 V to power the LNB off the S30. If the LNB draws >300 mA or trips the supply, the LNB/cable is bad.
- Conversely, use a dummy DC load to verify the S30’s output: e.g., 120 Ω at 13 V ≈108 mA, 150 Ω at 18 V ≈120 mA. The meter should supply these without tripping; a trip at modest load suggests an internal issue.
Possible disclaimers or additional notes
- Do not “jumper” or bypass the S30’s internal fuse/PTC or protection MOSFET; you risk board damage and battery hazards.
- TVS selection matters: choose the same part (standoff voltage typically well above 18 V so it does not conduct during 22 kHz tone peaks). If the original marking is unknown, photograph and cross‑reference before replacement.
- Some faults are intermittent (water dries temporarily). Re‑test after thermal cycling or gentle cable flexing if the symptom is elusive.
Suggestions for further research
- Consult the S30 operation manual’s LNB power/short‑circuit protection section for model‑specific limits and warnings.
- Look up application notes for “LNB power supply/controller ICs” (e.g., high‑side switch with current limit + 22 kHz tone injection) to understand expected behaviors and test points.
- If you have the exact S30 PCB revision, high‑resolution photos can help identify likely parts (TVS markings, controller IC IDs).
Brief summary
- Most S30 “short” events are external. Prove it by disconnecting the coax: if the error clears, fix connectors/cable/LNB; if not, the S30’s port protection rail is likely shorted (TVS or MLCC). Use simple DMM resistance checks, bypass accessories, and—if qualified—inspect/replace the TVS or a shorted bypass capacitor. If you share what you see (does the error persist with no cable, any recent storm/water exposure, and basic resistance measurements), I can guide you through the next precise steps.
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