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this turbo is not geometry regulated, but by wastegate- underpressure. All tubes seems to be intact, solenoid Valve buyed new and operating. EGR could be possible not 100% pure responding to ECU, but cca 85% similarity is there. I am not sure, if EGR could make such leak od power. I have some graphs with RPM/ boost MAF /MAF. Is possible to send it to You to checkit? Tubes smoked- no leak. Wastegate is moving OK.
No Errors from ECU in FORSCan lite. No are showed by car. In turbo, are there two turbines? The pront - from intake is clear, oil free, no damage, very low axial and radial movements. So, how to check turbo is not broken?
• A quick but reliable way to prove whether the turbo itself is at fault is to log “requested boost” versus “actual boost” during a full-load acceleration run, while simultaneously confirming that the waste-gate actuator reaches and holds its specified vacuum.
• If actual boost tracks the ECU target within ≈ ±50 mbar, the turbo is healthy and the power loss lies elsewhere (EGR stuck, fuel, exhaust restriction, sensor drift, etc.).
• If boost is permanently low (or spikes and collapses) and the actuator, vacuum supply and pipe-work are confirmed good, the turbo or its internal waste-gate flap is defective.
• A conventional single-scroll turbo has one turbine (exhaust side) and one compressor wheel (intake side) on the same shaft; you have already inspected the compressor side—now inspect the turbine side for damage or binding.
Engine / turbo configuration
• Ford/PSA DV6TED4 (1.6 TDCi 80 kW) – fixed-geometry Garrett GT1544V (early) or GT1544C (later) with vacuum-operated waste-gate, not a variable-nozzle type.
• Typical full-load boost pressure: 1.25–1.35 bar (gauge) at 2 500–3 500 rpm.
Live-data strategy (FORScan or IDS)
Log the following parameters on a straight-line 3rd-gear pull from 1 500 rpm to 3 800 rpm:
• Engine RPM
• MAP (absolute)
• BARO (subtract from MAP for gauge boost)
• Boost_DSD / Boost_Target
• MAF (g s⁻¹)
• APP (accelerator %)
• EGR_Command & EGR_Feedback
Interpretation:
• Actual boost ≥ Target – 50 mbar all the way up → turbo OK.
• Actual < Target by > 150 mbar → under-boost → proceed with items 3–5.
• MAF much lower than power level (≈ 100 g s⁻¹ at full load) with correct boost → suspect MAF sensor or fuel delivery.
Vacuum / waste-gate verification
• At idle measure supply vacuum: ≥ –0.8 bar.
• Apply hand pump directly to actuator: rod should start to move at –0.15 bar, fully close waste-gate at –0.6 bar, and hold vacuum for ≥ 30 s.
• With a tee-piece and gauge in the cabin you can see dynamic vacuum; if it collapses under throttle the pump, reservoir or hoses leak.
Typical DV6 root causes of low boost / power
A. Oil-feed / turbo bearing deterioration – gauze in banjo bolt blocked by carbon from leaking injector seals; starves turbo → slow spool, eventual failure.
B. EGR valve jammed partially open – acts as a boost leak and dilutes intake oxygen.
C. DPF or catalytic converter saturation – high exhaust back-pressure prevents turbine from spinning.
D. False air or intercooler leak – reduces charge density (often invisible in low-pressure smoke test).
E. MAP or MAF sensor drift – ECU limits fuel or boost without logging a DTC.
Mechanical inspection of turbo
• Remove exhaust down-pipe; inspect turbine blades, check they spin freely and the internal waste-gate flap seats fully.
• Measure radial play (< 0.25 mm) and end-float (< 0.1 mm).
• Check for oil wetting on turbine – indicates failed seal/bearing.
Quick isolation tests (non-destructive)
• Blank EGR with a temporary plate → drive → if power returns, EGR fault confirmed.
• Loosen exhaust joint after DPF/cat for a short noisy test run → if power returns, exhaust restriction.
• Bypass intercooler with a short, pressure-rated hose (keep run brief) → isolates intercooler core blockage.
• The DV6 family remains notorious for turbo repeat-failures if the oil-feed gauze and injector copper washers are not replaced; Ford and PSA now advise removing the gauze filter altogether when fitting a new turbo.
• After-market “no-gauge” feed pipes and revised banjo bolts are available (BorgWarner/Melett kits, 2023).
• DPF saturation thresholds were lowered in 2022 software updates; a vehicle on the original calibration can be close to full without a MIL.
Vacuum-actuated waste-gate analogy: think of a spring-loaded door (the gate) held shut by vacuum. If the spring is broken (internal flap) or the suction hose perforated, the door drifts open and exhaust bypasses the turbine, killing boost. Measuring vacuum while simultaneously logging boost tells you whether the “hand” (vacuum actuator) or the “door” (turbo hardware) is misbehaving.
• Temporarily blanking EGR or loosening the exhaust is legitimate for diagnostics but illegal for normal road use in many jurisdictions; restore components before regular driving.
• DPF removal (“delete”) is illegal in EU/UK and most US states. Always comply with local emission regulations.
• A single bad injector can mimic turbo lag by limiting fuel quantity; consider a balance or return-flow test.
• Without back-pressure instrumentation, an exhaust restriction can hide behind apparently correct boost readings because the ECU only sees intake pressure.
• Ford TSB 4542 – “Repeated DV6 Turbocharger Failures” (2019) outlines oil-feed and injector-seal fixes.
• Garrett white-paper “Turbo Failure Analysis – Low Oil Pressure” (2021).
• Look up “Autodata Boost Reference Charts” for exact target pressures on the DV6TED4.
Start with a log of target vs. actual boost and verify a solid vacuum supply. If boost meets target, the turbo is not the culprit—look at EGR, DPF, MAF or fueling. If under-boost persists and vacuum, hoses and actuator pass their tests, remove the down-pipe and inspect the turbine and internal waste-gate. On the DV6 engine, never ignore the oil-feed gauze and injector seals: carbon blockage starves the turbo and is the leading root cause of apparent or real turbo failure.
User question
dej mi reálné PID co opravdu umí TDCi 2006 1,6 80kW. pro kontrolu turba/ wastegate/ egr. Protože třeba tlak na turbu nemá žádný PID. Vvrtulka turba se volně a čistě točí (za klidnu zanedbatelné axiální i radiální vůle). A pokud vidím turbo na vstupu- ze strany od vzduch. filtru po sundání hadice a po vstříknutí čističe EGR do turba motor zrychlí otáčky a turbo začně rychlejji točit, je reálně možné, že výstupní strana turba (kompresor?) je vadný? nejsou na stejné hřídeli?
Artificial Intelligence Response
Direct answer to the question
• Ford’s Bosch EDC16C34 in the 2006 1.6 TDCi (80 kW, DV6TED4) really exposes only these OBD/-manufacturer PIDs that matter for turbo, VGT(waste-gate-type) control and EGR:
Gauge boost is obtained by:
Boost (gauge) = MAP − BARO
• A direct “Turbo pressure” PID does not exist on this ECU – that is normal.
• Compressor and turbine wheels sit on the same shaft, therefore if one turns the other must turn; however, the exhaust side can be damaged, carbon-packed or by-passed by a leaking waste-gate/VGT vane while the compressor side still looks perfect.
Detailed problem analysis
Engine / turbo architecture
– Your 80 kW DV6 uses a Garrett GT1544V variable-geometry turbo (vacuum actuator).
– Boost is regulated by shifting VGT vanes, not by a classical pneumatic waste-gate flap (terms get mixed in practice; the ECU PID is still called “WG_DUTY”).
– A single shaft couples turbine and compressor; journal bearings allow small radial (<0.15 mm) and almost no axial play.
Why you do not see a “boost” PID
– Generic OBD only mandates absolute MAP and BARO. Ford’s IDS/FORScan converts this into BOOST_DES/BOOST_ACT for graphing convenience; most third-party scanners will not show it unless you create a math channel.
Typical healthy values (3rd-gear wide-open-throttle, 1 500 → 3 500 rpm)
If BOOST_ACT < BOOST_DES by > 0.15 bar while WG_DUTY is > 70 % the ECU is trying to build boost but the turbo, actuator, exhaust flow or intake sealing prevents it.
Why the engine sped up after spraying EGR-cleaner into the intake
– The solvent is flammable → acts as extra fuel.
– Extra heat in exhaust → vanes get more energy → turbo spools faster.
– Therefore the test proves only that the rotating group is able to accelerate, not that it reaches the required pressure under normal diesel fueling.
Frequent physical causes of under-boost on this platform
• Vacuum leak, split hose, cracked reservoir → vanes stay open.
• Actuator membrane leak → cannot reach end stop (< −0.6 bar).
• VGT lever seized by carbon → limited stroke.
• Leaking injector copper seals (“black death”) → carbon carries into turbo, clogs vanes.
• Clogged DPF/catalyst → high back pressure, turbine cannot load.
• EGR valve stuck ajar → uncontrolled bypass lowers MAF and boost.
• Sensor drift: MAF under-reads → ECU limits fuel → less exhaust energy.
Current information and trends
• Latest releases of FORScan (v2.3.60+) already include “Turbocharger vane position”, “Turbo vacuum” and “Exhaust pressure before DPF” for later calibrations – worth updating.
• PID-based boost “learning” tables are now used in Euro-6 ECUs; our Euro-4 unit relies purely on MAP/MAF feedback, hence a drifting sensor rarely throws a DTC.
• Garrett now offers an upgraded GTD1244VZ drop-in that delivers +15 % flow; same PIDs apply.
Supporting explanations and details
Analogy: Think of the turbo as two fans on one bicycle axle; if the rear wheel (turbine) is in thick mud (exhaust restriction) the front wheel (compressor) still spins but the bicycle does not move fast (no boost).
Ethical and legal aspects
• Permanent EGR blanking or DPF removal is illegal on EU public roads; use blocking plates or decat pipes only for short diagnostics.
• Avoid solvent spraying while engine is running – risk of runaway or CAT/DPF damage.
Practical guidelines
Possible disclaimers or additional notes
• Values above assume sea-level BARO ≈100 kPa; adjust by ±1 kPa per 100 m altitude.
• Older scan tools sometimes mis-scale MAP by ×10; always compare KOEO MAP ≈ BARO.
Suggestions for further research
• Look into Garrett G-Trend shaft-speed sensors – retrofit cap offers true turbo RPM PID.
• Study PSA/Ford technical bulletin BO‐2008-1 “DV6 Over-boost/Under-boost root causes”.
• Review SAE Paper 2019-01-1135 on EGR-induced boost estimation errors.
Brief summary
The 2006 1.6 TDCi offers MAP, BARO, MAF, EGR and actuator duty PIDs—there is no separate “boost-pressure” PID, you compute boost as MAP − BARO and compare it with “Desired Boost”. Log those, verify vacuum actuation and exhaust back-pressure; most under-boost complaints are caused by vacuum leaks, sticky VGT vanes, leaking EGR or clogged DPF, not by a broken compressor wheel. Both turbo wheels share one shaft, so a visually “OK” compressor does not guarantee that the exhaust side or vane mechanism is healthy.