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MAN Euro 5 3404-02 SCR AdBlue Purge Fault: Causes, Diagnosis, Solutions

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Man code 5 3404-02

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  • Code 5 3404-02 (also written DIAG 03404-02) on MAN Euro 4/5/EEV and early Euro 6 trucks decodes to SAE J1939 SPN 3404, FMI 02.
  • Description: “SCR / AdBlue return-line (purge) circuit – data erratic, intermittent or incorrect.”
  • In plain words, during the post-key-off purge the engine ECU does not see the pressure or flow pattern it expects when the dosing line is emptied back to the tank.

Key points
• System involved: Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) / AdBlue dosing module
• Type of fault: Electrical or hydraulic signal implausibility (FMI 02) – often stored as “passive/inactive”
• Typical causes: Crystallised AdBlue in return hose, kinked line, leaking connections, failing pump/3 ⁄ 2-way valve, or erratic DEF-line-pressure sensor/wiring.


Detailed problem analysis

  1. Code structure
    • First digit “5” – MAN system group “Engine / exhaust after-treatment” (ECU: EDC/PLD or EDC17CV).
    • SPN 3404 – “SCR return (purge) line pressure / flow”.
    • FMI 02 – “Data erratic, intermittent or incorrect” per SAE J1939-73.

  2. Function of the purge circuit
    After ignition OFF the supply module reverses and draws AdBlue out of the dosing line (4–5 bar ➜ ≈0 bar in ≤ 10 s) to avoid crystallisation. Pressure is measured continuously. Deviation from the learned pressure-drop curve raises 5 3404-02.

  3. Electrical / hydraulic path
    Dosing Control Unit → 3 ⁄ 2-way valve ↔ pump ↔ line ↔ dosing valve → pressure sensor feedback → ECU (5 V ref, signal, ground). Any mismatch between command and observed pressure/flow triggers the fault.

  4. Observable symptoms
    • DTC shown as passive; MIL may stay off until a certain counter is exceeded.
    • Recurrent message on key-on self test.
    • Possible derate if accompanied by SPN 5246 FMI 0/16.
    • Extended purge time or “buzzing” noise after switch-off.

  5. Probability ranking of root causes

    1. Return-line crystallisation (weather < –5 °C or poor-quality DEF)
    2. Hose kink / incorrect routing after maintenance
    3. Internal 3 ⁄ 2-way valve sticking in GEN1 supply module
    4. Pressure sensor drift / connector corrosion (5 V ref 4.95–5.05 V; rest signal ≈0.5 V)
    5. Wiring harness damage near gearbox cross-member
    6. Rare: EDC output or software bug (update available from MAN TSB 511/19-2)
  6. Diagnostic workflow (field-proven)
    a. Read freeze-frame – coolant temp, pressure at start/end of purge, purge duration.
    b. Visual check: DEF level ≥ 20 %, crystal traces on quick-couplings, hose kinks.
    c. Warm-water (≤ 60 °C) dissolve test for visible crystals; replace 6 × 4 mm hose if stiff.
    d. Electrical:
    – 5 V ref, signal, ground continuity (< 0.1 Ω) to EDC pin A38, A55, B11.
    – Sensor resistance (disconnected) 220–260 Ω @ 20 °C.
    e. Actuation test with MAN-cats III: command purge, watch pressure 5 bar ➜ 0 bar in 6–10 s.
    f. Current draw of pump 1.2–1.6 A (steady); spikes > 2.2 A indicate mechanical drag.

  7. Corrective actions
    • Flush and refill with ISO 22241-1 compliant AdBlue; vacuum-evacuate crystals.
    • Replace return hose & O-rings; torque quick couplings 10 Nm.
    • Supply module repair kit (MAN 81.15408-6070) or full module 81.15408-6041 if valve sticking.
    • Replace pressure sensor (BOSCH 0 281 006 XXX) after verifying PID drift.
    • Update ECU software (EDC17CV42 SW-level ≥ ZGS 006) to extend purge window.


Current information and trends

• GEN2 dose modules (introduced late 2022) use internal temperature-compensated MEMS pressure sensors and a brush-less pump, largely eliminating 5 3404-02.
• MAN now recommends winter grade DEF (– 37 °C crystallisation point) for Nordic fleets.
• Remote diagnostics via RIO or MAN-Telematics pushes SPN/FMI decoding directly to workshop PCs, cutting troubleshooting time.


Supporting explanations and details

• Analogy: Think of the purge like sucking liquid out of a straw; if the straw is pinched or blocked you feel resistance (pressure drop not matching time). The ECU observes the same mismatch.
• A passive FMI 02 is similar to a stored “misfire history” – a hint something was wrong, even if it is OK now.


Ethical and legal aspects

• Tampering or bypassing the purge circuit to silence the DTC violates Euro V/VI emissions law (Reg. (EC) 595/2009) and may lead to fines and loss of type approval.
• Always dispose of contaminated AdBlue according to local environmental regulations; it is classified as non-hazardous but high-nitrogen.


Practical guidelines

• Keep DEF above 10 % to minimise air ingestion.
• Store AdBlue at 0–25 °C, sealed; older fluid (> 12 months) greatly accelerates crystallisation.
• During winter service add line-heater inspection to maintenance sheet; an iced line fools the purge pressure profile.

Possible challenges & mitigation
• Intermittent faults: Use oscilloscope logging during purge; vibration-induced wiring breaks become visible.
• Remote sites: Carry premixed warm-water bottles and hose couplings to do on-road de-crystallisation if workshop is far away.


Possible disclaimers or additional notes

• Some early MAN BMS software versions map SPN 3404 to “retarder pressure control valve”. Cross-check the control unit that stored the code:
– If code is under ECU 5 (EDC/Engine) ➜ SCR purge (most cases).
– If under ECU 5 (BMS) in special coach chassis, the same numeric code can relate to the retarder valve. Always read the source ECU ID to avoid mis-diagnosis.


Suggestions for further research

• Study MAN TSBs on “SCR GEN2 supply module diagnostics” (2023-08).
• Investigate machine-learning models that predict crystallisation events based on ambient RH/temperature logs.
• Examine alternative DEF formulations with lower evaporation rate to reduce crystal formation.

Recommended resources
– MAN-cats III user manual, chap. 8.3 “AdBlue pressure analysis”
– ISO 22241-1/-2 for DEF quality & handling
– SAE paper 2022-01-0598 on next-gen SCR pumps


Brief summary

Error 5 3404-02 flags an implausible pressure/flow signal in the SCR return-line purge. In 90 % of cases the root cause is physical blockage (crystals, kink) or a drifting pressure sensor. A structured approach—visual check, electrical tests, live purge monitoring—pinpoints the fault quickly. Keep DEF clean, hoses unkinked, and software up to date to prevent recurrence and maintain legal emission levels.

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