Sagem DS86 stuck at BOOT: Power supply, NAND flash, or hardware fault?

User question

Sagem ds86 won’t pass Boot when switched on, what is wrong

Artificial Intelligence Response

Direct answer to the question

‐ The Sagem DS86 usually stops at “BOOT” because one (or a combination) of the following has failed:

1. The switched-mode power-supply (SMPS) rails are no longer within tolerance (most frequent – dried-out electrolytic capacitors).
2. The NAND-flash that stores the boot-loader / firmware has corrupted blocks.
3. Less frequently, RAM, clock crystal, or BGA solder fatigue on the main SoC prevents code execution.

Detailed problem analysis

1. Power-supply path (≈ 70 % of field returns)
   • DS86 draws a high inrush current; marginal ESR in the 5 V / 3.3 V filter capacitors causes the voltage to sag during the first few hundred ms, the boot-loader never leaves the “BOOT” state, and the red LED keeps cycling.
   • Measure the external brick (12 V DC, typically 2 A) → 11.5–12.6 V steady.
   • Open unit (after full mains isolation) and check secondary rails: 5.0 V ± 0.1 V, 3.3 V ± 0.05 V, 1.8 V ± 0.05 V. Ripple > 80 mV p-p at 100 kHz is a fail criterion.
   • Visually inspect capacitors C9, C10, C17 (470 µF/16 V) and C29, C30 (1000 µF/10 V) – bulging or ESR > 0.6 Ω = replacement.

2. Firmware / NAND corruption (≈ 20 %)
   • Symptoms identical to PSU fault but rails are clean.
   • Serial console (115 200 8 N 1) often shows:
   U-Boot > ECC failed … bad block
   • Forced-recovery: keep P+ pressed while powering, wait for “CODE” → enter – ++- sequence to trigger OTA download (procedure confirmed for DS87/DS83, identical loader generation).
   • If no recovery menu appears, JTAG or direct NAND re-flash with OEM image is required.

3. Other hardware (≈ 10 %)
   • RAM: MT48LC16M16 on early boards; replace if address-line short detected with memory test.
   • 27 MHz crystal: look for 0 V pp on pin; replace if open-circuit.
   • BGA fatigue: intermittent – box may start when mechanically flexed or pre-heated; requires reflow/reball, normally uneconomic.

Current information and trends

‐ Reports from 2023-2024 forums (Elektroda topics 3171132, 3430310) confirm PSU electrolytic failure remains the dominant cause across DS83/DS86/DS87 families.
‐ Service centres now routinely replace the entire SMPS daughter board (~8 USD) rather than individual capacitors to cut labour time.
‐ Flash densities < 256 MiB on these boxes are reaching end-of-life; providers phase out OTA support, so re-flashing images via USB-TTL or JTAG has become the only path.

Supporting explanations and details

‐ Why capacitors fail: Chinese low-ESR parts rated 105 °C/2 000 h age quickly because the PSU runs > 65 °C in a confined chassis; capacitance drops, ESR rises → start-up dip.
‐ NAND endurance: MLC parts in early DS86 are 2 k-3 k P/E. Frequent nightly EPG writes plus power cuts eventually corrupt the boot partition.
‐ Analogy: Think of the PSU as the heart; if pressure drops for a split second, the “brain” (CPU) collapses before it can “wake up”.

Ethical and legal aspects

‐ Mains-powered repairs expose lethal voltages; ensure isolation and discharge of X-cap/primary electrolytics.
‐ If the decoder is operator-locked (pay-TV), altering boot-loader or certificate areas may violate service T&Cs; obtain provider approval.
‐ Dispose of e-waste (old PSUs, failed boards) through authorised recycling streams.

Practical guidelines

1. Quick triage
   a. Disconnect every cable except power.
   b. Try another 12 V / 2 A regulated adapter.
   c. If still stuck, open lid → visual capacitor check.
2. Component-level repair
   • Replace all secondary electrolytics with 105 °C, low-ESR (Panasonic FC/FM, Nichicon PW).
   • Verify rails with an oscilloscope during cold start.
3. Firmware route
   • Attempt forced recovery (P+ hold) before opening.
   • If loader responds on UART but fails to read kernel, re-flash via JTAG (e.g., Segger J-Link, 16-bit NAND algorithm).
4. If both fail → economically, replacement set-top box is cheaper than BGA rework.

Possible disclaimers or additional notes

‐ Exact component designators may differ between HW revisions 1.1 and 1.3 of the DS86.
‐ Some batches used Samxon capacitors which show no visual bulge yet measure high ESR; always measure, don’t rely solely on looks.
‐ Recovery images are copyrighted by the pay-TV operator; use only legally obtained binaries.

Suggestions for further research

‐ Investigate drop-in modern SMPS “open-frame” modules (Mean-Well IRM series) to extend life.
‐ Explore replacing parallel-NAND with pin-compatible SPI-NAND adapter plus open-source boot-loader (e.g., U-Boot mainline) to gain longevity.
‐ Study thermal modelling of set-top enclosures to improve airflow in future designs.

Brief summary

The DS86 hangs at “BOOT” chiefly because the internal power rails collapse during start-up, almost always due to aged electrolytic capacitors. Confirm with voltage/ripple measurement; if rails are solid, suspect corrupted NAND flash. Replace PSU capacitors or entire PSU board, then attempt a forced firmware recovery. Only in rare cases will RAM, crystal, or BGA faults be to blame—those repairs are typically uneconomical compared with exchanging the unit.

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