User question
PLACA TV TCL 50P615 VGL E VGH OSCILANDO DE 30V VGH PARA 10V MENOS VGL COM O DISPLAY CONECTADO E COM O DISPLAY DESCONECTADO DA PLACA ESSA TV É UMA PLACA SÓ FONTE PRINCIPAL E T.COM TUDO EM UMA SÓ PLACA EU ACHO QUE NÃO DISPLAY
Artificial Intelligence Response
Direct answer to the question
- In a healthy TCL 50P615 the Gate-drive rails must be ≈ +26 … +32 V (VGH) and –6 … –10 V (VGL) absolutely steady.
- If these rails swing between +30 V and +10 V (or disappear) even with the display unplugged, the fault is inside the integrated PSU/T-Con board: the DC-DC (boost / charge-pump) that generates VGH / VGL is losing regulation.
- Most frequent causes: shorted ceramic capacitor on VGH/VGL, dried-out electrolytic on the boost output, open feedback resistor, or a defective multi-output DC-DC driver IC (often a MAX17xx, RT8xxx, MP26xx, TPS65xxx, etc.).
- If VGH/VGL become perfectly stable as soon as the panel FFC is removed, the LCD panel (gate-driver COF/COG) is shorted; otherwise repair the board.
Detailed problem analysis
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Functional overview
• The integrated mainboard contains: PFC & 12 V SMPS → local buck regulators → a TFT-specific DC-DC that produces AVDD (~15–18 V), VGH (~30 V), VGL (-7 … -10 V) and VCOM (~5–7 V).
• The boost for VGH is usually a step-up converter followed by a charge-pump inverter for VGL. Regulation is closed via a resistor divider to the IC’s FB pin. Any over-current, over-temperature or FB error forces the IC to hiccup → you see the “oscillation”.
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Interpretation of the user measurement
• “Oscilando de 30 V para 10 V menos VGL” = the boost starts, VGH rises to ≈ 30 V, current surges, OCP trips, converter shuts down, voltage decays to ≈ 10 V (and VGL collapses toward 0 V); cycle repeats at ~1–10 Hz so a multimeter shows fluctuating readings.
• You already proved it happens both with and without the panel. That rules out a panel short and points to the board itself.
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Typical board-level culprits
• Output filter electrolytics (4.7–22 µF/50 V) dried out → huge ripple, regulator unstable.
• SMD MLCC on VGH or VGL shorted intermittently → over-current hiccup.
• Schottky diode (boost) or bootstrapping diode leaking.
• Inductor or its solder joint cracked.
• Feedback network: divider open / drifted; IC never sees correct voltage.
• DC-DC controller IC damaged (ESD, lightning, reverse current from panel).
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How to isolate the failing component
a) Power the board on the bench with the panel cable removed.
b) Scope VIN (12 V), SW node, VGH, VGL. Confirm hiccup frequency; if VIN dips the primary SMPS is also involved.
c) With power off, use a DMM in resistance mode between VGH and GND and VGL and GND.
– Ω < 1 M for VGH suggests a shorted MLCC.
– Ω ≈ kΩ-range is normal (feedback divider).
d) Inject 5 V through a 1 kΩ resistor into the FB pin: if the IC stops oscillating the FB path is open.
e) ESR-check electrolytics; replace any > 0.5 Ω.
f) If suspicion remains on the IC, swap it or “dead-bug” an external boost module (+28 V / –8 V) to prove that the panel and rest of the TV are OK.
Current information and trends
- Single-board “Power + Main + T-Con” is now the norm in entry-level 4 K sets; VGH/VGL failures are a recognized weak point because cost-down forces the use of minimal-spec ceramic caps and no heat-sink on the converter IC.
- Service forums (Elektroda, BadCaps, CN tech videos) report the TCL 50P615 commonly failing in the RT6933 / TPS65132 area. Kits with ready-made ±30 V generators are sold in Asia for quick repair when OEM parts are unavailable.
- Industry trend: moving to COF driver ICs that accept a single 15 V rail, eliminating VGH/VGL from the mainboard in future designs.
Supporting explanations and details
- TFT gate needs ≈ +25 V to charge the pixel capacitor; when VGH sags to +10 V the TFT never fully turns ON, all pixels leak → uniform grey/no-image.
- The converter works like any boost:
\[
V{GH}=V{IN}\frac{1}{1-D}
\]
where \(D\) is duty cycle. If load current \(I\) rises sharply ( short ), converter hits its current limit \(I_{LIM}\), turns OFF, VGH collapses, controller restarts → oscillation.
Ethical and legal aspects
- Live-chassis sets: lethal mains on the primary side; follow IEC 60950 / IEC 62368 safety, isolate the board with an isolation transformer.
- Warranty: device less than 24 months old may still fall under consumer-law warranty; opening the set voids it.
Practical guidelines (step-by-step)
- Remove AC, discharge primary caps.
- Visual: bulged electrolytics, burnt IC, cracked inductor.
- Measure resistance VGH-GND, VGL-GND, AVDD-GND. Short < 30 Ω → suspect MLCC.
- Replace the VGH output cap (often 10 µF/50 V) and the charge-pump caps (0.1 µF–1 µF/50 V). Cost < 1 USD.
- If still oscillating, replace the DC-DC IC. Use hot-air at 350 °C, clean pads, apply new IC.
- Reassemble, check VGH 28–32 V, VGL –7 … –10 V, AVDD 15–18 V.
- Only then reconnect the panel and perform a 2-hour burn-in to be sure no further trip occurs.
Potential challenges
- Multi-layer board; lifted pads easy. Use Kapton and preheat.
- Unobtainable IC: fit a small daughter-board with TPS61175 for +30 V and LM2596-inverter for –8 V, feed the original rails via jump-wires.
Possible disclaimers or additional notes
- If the panel was damaged by the over/under-voltage event, artefacts (vertical lines) may remain even after board repair.
- Some boards read the panel’s NVM via I²C; if you run the board long without the panel, Android TV may log EDID errors but they are harmless.
Suggestions for further research
- Compare failure modes across TCL, Hisense, Vestel integrated boards; publish statistical MTBF of the gate-drive section.
- Investigate use of polymer caps or two-phase boost to lower ESR stress.
- Evaluate next-gen panel drivers that eliminate separate VGH/VGL.
Brief summary
Unstable VGH (30 → 10 V) and VGL on a TCL 50P615 that persist even with the LCD unplugged indicate a defective VGH/VGL generator on the all-in-one mainboard. Focus on the boost / charge-pump section: replace high-ESR electrolytics, check for MLCC shorts, verify feedback network, and if necessary swap the DC-DC controller IC. Once the rails are rock-solid at +30 V and –8 V the picture will return—confirming the panel itself is not the root cause.
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