User question
mid 140 psid 227 fmi 12
Artificial Intelligence Response
Direct answer to the question
- Meaning: MID 140 PSID 227 FMI 12 = The instrument cluster (MID 140) reports a communication failure on the data channel to the Air Processing Module / air dryer unit (APM, typically MID 185). FMI 12 = “Bad intelligent device/component,” i.e., no/invalid communication from the APM.
- Key points:
- Most common causes: open/shorted CAN lines, corroded/loose connectors, loss of APM power/ground, or a failed APM.
- Do not ignore: air system faults can escalate to brake warnings or “stop” conditions.
Detailed problem analysis
- Architecture
- MID 140 (dashboard/cluster) monitors network health and flags when a node like the APM (air dryer controller) drops off or talks invalidly.
- The APM manages purge/regeneration, pressure control, and provides status over the high‑speed vehicle datalink (J1939 CAN on most Volvo/Renault/other HD trucks).
- Code breakdown
- MID 140: reporting ECU (cluster).
- PSID 227: proprietary signal for the communication link to the APM/air dryer.
- FMI 12: the target device is not responding properly (internal failure or datalink fault).
- Why it happens
- Wiring/connectors: The APM is chassis‑mounted and exposed to water/salt; green/white corrosion, pushed pins, and harness chafe are common.
- Power/ground: A blown APM fuse, bad relay, or corroded ground stud will make the APM “silent,” which the cluster interprets as FMI 12.
- CAN integrity: Open backbone/stub, missing/bad 120 Ω termination, shorted H/L, or a module dragging the bus.
- APM failure: Internal electronics fault (water ingress, thermal cycling, aging).
- Effects and symptoms you may see
- Air dryer not purging or purging erratically; moisture in tanks; possible ABS/EBS secondary warnings if air quality/pressure control degrades.
- Additional DTCs may appear in MID 185 (APM) if it is intermittently alive, or in other ECUs complaining about APM data timeout.
Current information and trends
- Field experience on modern HD platforms shows the majority of FMI 12 communication faults at the APM trace to:
- Connector corrosion and water‑wicking in harness splices.
- Power/ground integrity issues after battery/relay/fuse‑box service.
- Less frequently, outright APM controller failure.
- Many current replacement APMs are plug‑and‑play, but OEM procedures may specify checks or parameter confirmations after install.
Supporting explanations and details
- Quick electrical theory recap (J1939 CAN):
- Two‑wire differential bus; quiescent ~2.5 V on both lines. Dominant bits: CAN‑H ≈ 3.5 V, CAN‑L ≈ 1.5 V (about 2 V differential).
- Two 120 Ω terminators at bus ends → ~60 Ω measured between H and L with power off.
- Expected measurements
- Key off, battery disconnected: CAN‑H to CAN‑L ≈ 60 Ω (healthy), ≈120 Ω (one terminator missing/open), ≈0–5 Ω (short), OL (broken pair).
- Key on: CAN‑H ≈ 2.5–3.5 V, CAN‑L ≈ 2.5–1.5 V (oscillating as messages pass). A steady 0 V/vehicle supply voltage indicates short to GND/B+.
- APM supply: verify correct system voltage (12 V on most North American trucks; 24 V on some markets) at the APM power pin under load; voltage drop to APM ground <100 mV at 2–5 A load is a good target.
Ethical and legal aspects
- Air system reliability is a safety‑critical function. Operating with an APM communication fault can compromise purge/drying, risking water carry‑over into brakes. In commercial operation, this can breach safety regulations and expose the operator to liability. If “STOP” or low‑air warnings occur, remove the vehicle from service until resolved.
Practical guidelines
- Fast triage (10–20 minutes)
- Scan all ECUs. Note whether other modules also log APM data timeouts or general CAN faults. Record active vs. stored.
- Visual/physical: Locate the APM on the frame rail near the air dryer. Unplug, inspect both sides for moisture, green crust, bent/pushed pins; clean with contact cleaner, dry, reseat.
- Power/ground check at APM connector: confirm fused B+ and solid ground under wiggle/load.
- Structured diagnostics
- Step 1: Network health
- With power off, measure CAN‑H to CAN‑L resistance at a convenient port (diagnostic connector or APM plug). Target ≈60 Ω.
- If not ≈60 Ω, isolate: unplug modules one at a time (start with APM) until resistance normalizes; the last unplugged module/wiring branch is suspect.
- Step 2: Shorts/opens
- Check CAN‑H/L to chassis for low resistance (should be megaohms). If low, trace for pinch/chafe points along the frame and cab pass‑throughs.
- Step 3: Power integrity
- Backprobe APM B+ and ground with key on; load‑test the feed (headlamp bulb or electronic load) to catch high‑resistance faults that a DMM can miss.
- Verify the APM fuse/relay and the ground stud condition (remove, clean to bare metal, treat, torque).
- Step 4: Communication confirmation
- With a J1939‑capable scan tool, check if the APM (MID 185) appears on the network and streams live data. If absent with good power/ground and healthy bus, the APM is likely failed.
- Repair notes
- If wiring/connector repairs are needed, use sealed butt splices or solder‑and‑adhesive heat‑shrink, maintain twist (≈1 turn per 25–30 mm) on CAN pair, and avoid stubs longer than OEM spec.
- After replacing an APM, clear codes and verify purge cycles and water ejection. Some platforms require an ignition cycle or basic configuration check; follow OEM service info.
Possible disclaimers or additional notes
- Some legacy or non‑Volvo/Renault implementations may map PSID 227 differently. For the common Volvo/Renault heavy‑duty context, PSID 227 at MID 140 points to APM communication. Earlier generic interpretations that tie this to “turbo/boost” or “general J1939 failure” are not applicable to this MID/PSID pairing.
- Exact pinouts, fuse/relay IDs, and APM location vary by VIN and model year.
Suggestions for further research
- Provide your truck make/model/year/VIN snippet so I can supply exact connector pinouts, fuse numbers, harness routing, and OEM test steps.
- If intermittent: perform a datalog while performing a harness wiggle test around the frame rail and cab‑to‑chassis connector.
- Consider a CAN bus analyzer to visualize bus errors (error frames, bus‑off events) if recurrent.
Brief summary
- MID 140 PSID 227 FMI 12 = the cluster cannot communicate with the air dryer/APM; most often wiring/connector or power/ground to the APM, less often a failed APM.
- Verify APM power/ground, inspect/repair the CAN wiring/terminations, and confirm network presence with a scan tool. Replace the APM only after these checks.
- Share vehicle details and any additional symptoms, and I’ll tailor pinouts and a step‑by‑step for your specific platform.
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User question
mid 128 sid 4 fmi 5
Artificial Intelligence Response
Direct answer to the question
Detailed problem analysis
Current information and trends
Supporting explanations and details
Ethical and legal aspects
Practical guidelines
Possible disclaimers or additional notes
Suggestions for further research
Brief summary