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Selecting Fuses B or C for Carpentry Shop: Saw Motor & Differential Ratings

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  • #1 5719487
    bioforge2008
    Level 10  
    Hello
    I have a question, what are the rules for selecting fuses, for which receivers B is selected and for which C? I mean single and three-phase current;

    my second question is about differentials, when do we use a 30mA differential and when a 300mA differential?

    the questions arise from my doubts about the electrical design for the carpentry shop made by the designer;
    eg there is a saw with a 5.5KW motor, the designer selected the fuse B16 and the differential 80A 300mA; while in the saw's documentation it is written that the protection should be class C with a value of 20A;
    and who is right?

    and one more question what fuse should be chosen for a machine with a total power of about 17KW? (5 motors, 3,3,4,4,3 KW - all star-delta starting);
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  • #2 5719545
    bandzior2
    Level 26  
    Only 30mA residual current devices are used in domestic installations. 300mA is rather used on construction sites.
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  • #3 5719575
    alfaam
    Level 19  
    Motor devices, due to the high starting current, are secured with C type protections or preferably with motorized. In this case, C16 should run (no load starting), it would be more reliable on C20, but you must check whether the conditions for quick shutdown are met.
    Suggesting C16 is due to my reluctance to oversize security, and you can always replace it with larger ones if it does not work.
    The 300mA differential serves only as "fire protection" and not against electric shock. Apply 30mA and ask the designer to verify the design, the B16 has definitely got it wrong with this one.
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  • #4 5719576
    and61
    Level 27  
    type B- from 3 In to 5In, type C from 5In to 10In, type D- from 10In to 20In

    In is the rated current of the circuit breaker
    type B is used in residential and industrial installations
    typeC protection of electrical circuits of receivers such as motors, transformers
    Type D protects loads characterized by a very high inrush current
    Protection against electric shock - differential devices with a current of 10mA, 30mA
    Differentials with a tripping current of 300mA-500mA are used as fire protection
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  • #5 5719737
    bioforge2008
    Level 10  
    well, I can see that I was right that something was wrong; I put this project together with a description and ask for any comments what and how should be changed;

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    Selecting Fuses B or C for Carpentry Shop: Saw Motor & Differential Ratings

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    Selecting Fuses B or C for Carpentry Shop: Saw Motor & Differential Ratings

    Selecting Fuses B or C for Carpentry Shop: Saw Motor & Differential Ratings
  • #6 5720209
    alfaam
    Level 19  
    Old-fashioned designer
    so fast it's control off. P. Fire. outside, in front of the entrance, entrance in a visible place, one is enough, but give two or even three, it all depends on the development. Certainly I would not use it indoors, it may endanger the safety of employees.
    APU, I don't know, offers one of the compact circuit breakers with an undervoltage coil, the more that the protectors need to be protected.
    Luminaires with electronic ballast or break indoors to 3f switched on simultaneously. Workstation lighting as much as possible.
    30mA differentials
    5x10 at 7.5kW a bit much but depends on the arrangement etc and may be ok.
  • #7 5720590
    bioforge2008
    Level 10  
    alfaam wrote:
    Old-fashioned designer
    so fast it's control off. P. Fire. outside, in front of the entrance, entrance in a visible place, one is enough, but give two or even three, it all depends on the development. Certainly I would not use it indoors, it may endanger the safety of employees.
    APU, I don't know, offers one of the compact circuit breakers with an undervoltage coil, the more that the protectors need to be protected.
    Luminaires with electronic ballast or break indoors to 3f switched on simultaneously. Workstation lighting as much as possible.
    30mA differentials
    5x10 at 7.5kW a bit much but depends on the arrangement etc and may be ok.


    exactly, "old date" designer :)
    and for this machine with a total power of 17Kw, I just need a C32 protection and a 5x16 cable? or maybe 5x10? the distance from the switchgear will be up to 5 m;

    a few more questions:
    -differentials all the same? Is it possible to give different ones, because I have two c25 and c40, so I think I could hook up machines and smaller engines to them;
    - how many machines for one differential?
    -How many wires are needed from the fire switch to the button? because I have not dealt with it and I am not very familiar with how it works?
    -this joining machines with a rope is probably an exaggeration? because somehow I can't imagine it
  • #8 5720626
    alfaam
    Level 19  
    Quote:
    and for this machine with a total power of 17Kw, I just need a C32 protection and a 5x16 cable? or maybe 5x10? the distance from the switchgear will be up to 5 meters

    The 5x10 cable is definitely enough, the protection must be considered individually, mode of operation, nature, etc.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    you are an investor or an electrician because I don't know anymore
  • #9 5723113
    bioforge2008
    Level 10  
    alfaam wrote:
    Quote:
    and for this machine with a total power of 17Kw, I just need a C32 protection and a 5x16 cable? or maybe 5x10? the distance from the switchgear will be up to 5 meters

    The 5x10 cable is definitely enough, the protection must be considered individually, mode of operation, nature, etc.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    you are an investor or an electrician because I don't know anymore


    I am an investor :) but due to the fact that my electrician friend has not sober for two weeks, I have to get interested in the subject myself and at least do some shopping for what I need, pull the cables, etc., and call a specialist to connect the switchgear;
  • #10 5723250
    alfaam
    Level 19  
    that's screwed up
    I would, however, wait until he sober up, or look for another friend

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting appropriate fuses and differential protection for a carpentry shop's electrical design. It highlights the criteria for choosing B or C type fuses based on the inrush current of motors, with C type recommended for motor devices due to their higher starting currents. The conversation also clarifies the use of 30mA residual current devices for electric shock protection and 300mA for fire protection. A specific case is presented where a saw with a 5.5KW motor was incorrectly assigned a B16 fuse and an 80A 300mA differential, while documentation suggested a C20 fuse. The participants discuss the correct fuse for a machine with a total power of 17KW, recommending C32 protection and a 5x10 cable. Additional questions about the use of different differential ratings for various machines and wiring requirements are also raised.
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