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Computer science - programming Jagiellonian University or AGH: p

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  • #1 12467561
    filar7
    Level 9  
    Hello,
    I am this year's graduate of a technical high school and I am going to college, but I can't decide which one. That's why I'm asking for help.
    I am interested in programming, I am self-educating in this direction and I would like to graduate from computer science, with an emphasis on software engineering. I love math and I'm good at it, and I can handle physics, but I'm lame at it. That is why I do not hide that I am tempted by MiI at the Jagiellonian University, because there is no physics there. According to the AGH converter, I have 918 points out of 1000, so quite good - I think. And I will probably be able to choose between AGH and the Jagiellonian University. I know there were many threads like this and basically I read all of them several times each, but none of them resolved ;P. I know that AGH educates types of systems, networks, etc. I know that it guarantees general IT knowledge in practice, as well as the basics of electronics, logical thinking for free, but I have never heard that it educates good programmers. Does anyone know programmers who chose AGH? Is it better to go to AGH and gain powerful knowledge or choose the Jagiellonian University, which in my opinion will help me gain knowledge in the field of programming?
    And is there any course at AGH where you can learn programming well?

    greetings and please contribute :)
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  • #2 12467652
    akajarz
    Level 23  
    If you think that the university will teach you programming, you are wrong.
    You will start with the syntax, basic algorithms, and similar stories related to the transfer of various problems into the language of the computer and your learning could basically end there.
    Why? Because no one hires people with college degrees just because they have programming skills. The ability to program is useful only in combination with reliable knowledge of the field for which we write software.
    In short, if you are writing a program for a technological process, it is more important to know the technology, to understand what the program is supposed to do in the context of the user's needs than, for example, what loop or what sorting algorithm to use.
    If you only have knowledge about programming, I do not predict a great career for you, unless you stay at the university and train the next generations of "programmers".

    For this reason, I would personally choose AGH and a field of study rather loosely related to programming.
  • #3 12468114
    filar7
    Level 9  
    That was exactly the answer I was looking for :) thank you kindly for your interest in my thread.

    I realize that you really have to train yourself :) and I was thinking about choosing a university that would provide me with well-established knowledge in the field of computer science - that is AGH. In the future I would like to write computer applications or work in gamedev ;P (as I am interested in it).

    Could I ask if the previous speaker graduated from any of these universities?
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  • #4 12468229
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    AGH has super theoretical computer science with a lot of mathematics. They will teach you programming methodology and algorithms. If you have the desire, you will become a great programmer, but they will not make you one. Well, without physics, don't move in gamedev... You have quite unusual interests and you probably fit there, I don't know many people who would like programming enough to associate their professional future with programming (it's an exhausting and quite ... boring job) .

    I don't know anything about the Jagiellonian University, but I do know that the university can teach programming or the development environment. In the latter case, you have a lot of practical classes, you will get to know exactly one or several environments and technologies, but you will learn to use only specific tools, without a deeper knowledge of "how and why".
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  • #5 12468559
    filar7
    Level 9  
    thanks for the answer :)

    however, I disagree on one thing. Personally, I am interested in programming, and very much so. It's not like I'm bored when I write something. On the contrary, it absorbs me and draws me in :) .

    Well, programming game engines requires knowledge of physics, and not just any physics :D .

    AGH is tempting, my father studied there (30 years ago ;p) but he tells me not to go there because I won't be able to deal with electronics at AGH (computer science major). Do you think it can be really hard with such items? I have no experience with them, but I am determined and I know that everything can be learned. But I don't want it to turn out that I'm going to take a hoe to the Sun :D .

    And do you know which department is best to choose? Or maybe IT, Electronics and Telecommunications, or better Electrical Engineering, Automatics, Computer Science and Biomedical Engineering? Possibly there is still Physics and Applied I..
    At EAIiIB there is probably software engineering as a specialty..

    Regards
  • #6 12468744
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    If you're really good at math, you'll be able to handle both electronics and numerical methods.
  • #7 12468764
    filar7
    Level 9  
    Thanks :) I think I'm good from May but for the current level of high school, so I realize that I can get a shock at college :P
    it's worse with Fiza, because I screwed up a bit, although to a greater extent the school's fault :)
    That's why I'm afraid of physics.
    and the dilemma of which department, how they differ, etc
  • #8 12468895
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    I don't know how it is now, but in my time, in order to get into computer science at AGH, you had to be an eagle in mathematics and... pass a preparatory course (paid, of course). Unfortunately, I didn't get in (then there were still entrance exams). At that time, AGH was only for people with a math-physics profile after high school, and only for the best...
  • #9 12468907
    filar7
    Level 9  
    Well, now there are no entrance exams for the new matura exam ... and I'm afraid that despite a good result in extended mathematics, it will be hard
  • #10 12468960
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    There are compensatory classes, you just have to want it and really like it. If you want to work/party, these studies are not for you. It will be hard work 12-14 hours a day.
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  • #11 12468977
    filar7
    Level 9  
    NO. I've already gone through such climates, now it's just learning and developing :)

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the choice between studying computer science at Jagiellonian University (UJ) and AGH University of Science and Technology (AGH) for a prospective student interested in programming and software engineering. The user expresses a preference for UJ due to its lack of physics requirements, while others emphasize the importance of a solid foundation in mathematics and technology for a successful programming career. AGH is noted for its strong theoretical computer science curriculum, which includes extensive mathematics and programming methodology, but may involve challenging electronics courses. The conversation highlights the necessity of self-education and practical experience in programming, particularly for careers in game development, where knowledge of physics is crucial. Concerns about the difficulty of courses and the need for dedication are also discussed.
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