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Powering 1m 5050 LED Strip with 10000mAh Power Bank: Converting Voltage & Managing Output

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  • #1 16566719
    Hipolek
    Level 10  
    Hello all.
    As I did not find anything on this topic in the forum I created a new topic. I am asking for some hints if someone comes to mind how to solve my problem because I personally lack ideas.

    1. The problem is that I need to power the LED strip mounted on the portable device. It is not possible to connect directly to the network.
    LED strip parameters:

    LED type: 5050 (PLCC6)
    LED quantity: 300 / roll, 60 / m
    Forward current: 6A
    Output power: 72W
    Supply voltage: 12V DC
    Viewing angle: 120 °
    Luminous flux (brightness): 1050lm
    Dimensions: 10x5000mm
    Packaging: 5m roll
    Ground color: white


    !!!!! IMPORTANT !!!!! I need to feed about a meter of such tape.

    2. At the beginning I used a 12V 4.5 Ah gel battery for power supply. However, due to the size and weight of the battery, I am looking for another solution.

    3. Another idea that came to my mind was the use of a 10000mAh power bank. To this end, I plugged in a step up converter.

    Link to the inverter store:

    https://botland.com.pl/przetwornice-impulsowe...search_query=przetwornica+step+up&results=102

    However, the effect is not as expected. At full power, the LED strip glows steadily for about 30 seconds to a minute and then begins to shine intermittently. In addition, the converter, which in theory should not generate heat, heats up.

    4. My guess is that the inverter has a low current output compared to the LED strip's current demand.

    5. The question is. What other converter should I use for my "project". Alternatively, what other power source should be used to make it comparable in size and comparable to a power bank.

    Thank you in advance for your help.
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    #2 16566796
    krzysiek_krm
    Level 40  
    Hello,
    I assume that
    Hipolek wrote:
    LED type: 5050 (PLCC6)
    LED quantity: 300 / roll, 60 / m
    Forward current: 6A
    Output power: 72W
    Supply voltage: 12V DC
    Viewing angle: 120 °
    Luminous flux (brightness): 1050lm
    Dimensions: 10x5000mm
    Packaging: 5m roll
    Ground color: white

    these parameters apply to the entire roll, so
    Hipolek wrote:
    !!!!! IMPORTANT !!!!! I need to feed about a meter of such tape.

    in your case the current will be at 1.2 A.
    I understand that the power bank has a typical output voltage of 5 V. If this converter had 100% efficiency, the output current would be 1.2 A * (12 V / 5 V) = 2.88 A, the converter does not have 100% efficiency, the input current will be much higher .
    It is surprising that your inverter works at all, according to the description, it has the maximum current entrance equal to 1.4 A.
    You can use a step up converter
    https://botland.com.pl/przetwornice-impulsowe...ica-step-up-u3v50alv-regulowana-4-12v-5a.html
    At 12 V output voltage and 1.2 A current, you will achieve efficiency of around 88%, i.e. 5 V power consumption will be equal to (12 V * 1.2 A) / 88% = 16.36 W, loss power will be 16.36 W - 14.4 W = 1.96 W, maybe some radiator should be used on the inverter.

    greetings
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    #3 16566799
    Wojciech.
    Level 36  
    You can simply connect 3 cells in series and you will have 11-13V, but charging is troublesome. Use this XL6009 inverter.
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    #5 16567226
    Jackziom
    Level 23  
    Hello!

    Unfortunately, but I do not see that you can get a voltage of 12V from the device. Given the costly and sensible use of a converter that will increase the voltage twice and give quite a lot of power I would give up this idea. It will be much simpler and cheaper according to the idea of colleague "Wojciech." buy 3 links or buy a ready-made package.

    Obtaining such cells can be obtained quite easily, from power tools - then (usually) they have not substantial capacities, but high possible continuous discharge current of up to 20A, or from used laptop batteries.
    Of course, slightly more reliable (in terms of actual capacity) and probably slightly more expensive will be buying new cells or buying a ready-made package - preferably with protection.

    There is also the option of buying links and a basket with security - this design has many advantages - easy replacement of links, quick assembly and disassembly of links, possibility of charging the link in an external charger.

    Opting out of the inverter has the advantage that it greatly simplifies the structure and also the losses that in such operating conditions are inevitable and since the structure is powered from cells, the efficiency of the whole is important here.
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    #6 16567281
    krzysiek_krm
    Level 40  
    Hipolek wrote:
    Apparently the specification says that it can give a voltage of 12V. However, nowhere did I find information on how to get such tension from it.

    It is difficult to say, maybe it is compatible with any version of Quick Charge, according to this standard the charging voltage can be even greater than 12 V. However, the USB device must negotiate the appropriate power supply / charging parameters, the LED strip will not do that.
    Theoretically, you can slightly modify the tape.
    The description shows that the current of one diode is 20 mA. You can try to replace the serial diode resistors on the tape with current sources, for example
    http://www.tme.eu/pl/details/al5809-20s1-7/drivery-led/diodes-incorporated/
    From documentation
    http://www.tme.eu/pl/Document/e842972d4521272ef3a28caeb33fb405/AL5809-DTE.pdf
    it follows that the source is working properly with a minimum bias voltage of 2.5 V, after adding the forward diode voltage, the total voltage will be greater than 5 V from the power bank. However, you can use a step up converter with an output voltage of about 6 V, the input current will be on average twice as low as for the 12 V output voltage, power loss on the tape will be much lower, the efficiency of the entire system will increase.
    The diagram in Figure 15 of the mentioned documentation shows that the starting voltage of the current source is slightly higher than 1.5 V, you could try to test the converted tape with 5 V test.
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  • #7 16568318
    Hipolek
    Level 10  
    In that case, I give up the power bank.

    I had the idea to use a modeling cell or a basket for batteries (or rechargeable batteries) 12v.

    What do you say??
    What parameters should such a link have for enough for about 2 hours of continuous lighting.
    The gel battery that I mentioned this 4.5 Ah withstood about 10 hours of continuous operation.
  • #8 16568409
    Wojciech.
    Level 36  
    Hipolek wrote:
    What parameters should such a link have for enough for about 2 hours of continuous lighting.


    You know the power consumption of the tape, then you can easily calculate the capacity.
  • #9 17681784
    vicio_32
    Level 7  
    Hello.
    I found an interesting solution.
    I just converted the power supply.
    Instead of batteries, I used a power bank with a capacity of 4,000 mAh.
    With this configuration I got the effect of 9 hours of ordination without a break.

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  • #10 17683748
    Anonymous
    Level 1  

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around powering a 1-meter section of a 5050 LED strip, which requires 12V DC and 6A, using a 10000mAh power bank. The user initially used a 12V 4.5Ah gel battery but seeks a lighter alternative. Suggestions include using a step-up converter to increase the power bank's 5V output to 12V, although concerns about efficiency and current limitations of the converter are raised. Alternatives such as connecting three cells in series to achieve 11-13V or using lithium-ion batteries are proposed. The user later considers using a battery pack or modeling cell for a more reliable power source. Calculating the required capacity for 2 hours of operation is also discussed, with references to previous successful configurations using power banks.
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