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LED License Plate Backlight & Cab Backlight - Legality, Approval, W5W Bulbs, All-Road Use

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  • #1 16612541
    wojtasek105
    Level 8  
    Hello, I changed the last W5W bulbs for the same but LED. Can I calmly ride with them?

    The bulbs cost a few zlotys for all-road money, of course, nothing written about the approval, hence my question, if I can legally ride them.

    The same applies to the cab backlight, or can it be attached to the overview?
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  • #2 16612593
    Falco76
    Level 25  
    Have you ever checked the lighting inside the car?
  • #3 16612597
    wojtasek105
    Level 8  
    No no, inside no x)

    And what about registration lighting?

    Or else, which headlamps require approval and which no longer? Or rather, all must have?
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  • #5 16612674
    PeCeZu
    Level 16  
    wojtasek105 wrote:
    which headlamps need approval

    The approval applies to all lamps that you have outside the car.

    - headlamps with low beam and high beam
    - fog lights
    - daytime running lights
    - position and braking signal lamps
    - direction signal lamps
    - marker lights
    - reversing lamps
    - rear fog lamps
    - parking lamps
    - cornering lamps
    - rear registration plate lamps
    - special warning lamps
    - car bulbs
    - motor vehicles of semi-trailers and trailers
    - mirrors
    - reflective devices
    - warning triangles
    - boards distinguishing heavy and long vehicles
    - tables distinguishing slow moving vehicles
  • #6 16612676
    ociz
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    The license plate backlight is the only one from external lighting that does not require any approval. The only condition is that it has to glow in white. By the way, such a LED looks rustic, but who likes ...
  • #7 16613235
    wojtasek105
    Level 8  
    Thank you for a professional answer!

    Maybe not so rustic, in my Cordoba they shone in yellow old halogen, they glow in white, even if I can always go back to old, turning the bulbs up to 5 minutes.

    Is it worth changing H4 from 60W to something stronger? Is there no such right and need?
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  • #8 16613272
    teskot
    Level 37  
    In road traffic you are not allowed to use H4 bulbs with a power other than 55 / 60W (unless in trucks with 24V H4 installation they have a power of 70 / 75W). But it is worth investing in a good quality Philips or Narva + 90% bulb, of course, counting on the durability. And if you have reservations about the brightness of the lights, check what state the glass is in (if it is matted to polish it), reflectors and, of course, the installation voltage.
  • #9 16613353
    wojtasek105
    Level 8  
    I see also + 150% Philips bulbs, what's the problem with such bulbs? Faster to consume? Standard bulbs what they are (what I have at the moment)
  • #10 16613525
    psooya
    Level 38  
    Boszki +90 have been holding on to me for quite a long time, these +120 have been lost for 3-4 months. I do not buy anything and I will not buy Philips.
  • #11 16613564
    teskot
    Level 37  
    I also gave up Philips for Narva because the quality is comparable (if not higher), and additionally Narva costs much less.
  • #12 16613571
    psooya
    Level 38  
    Philips went to the dogs in every lighting. I still remember the first compacts from this company that the ballast was on the chip, two PCBs ... ehhh was quality and durability and now?
  • #13 16614421
    Gerri
    Mercedes specialist
    PeCeZu wrote:
    The approval applies to all lamps that you have outside the car
    ociz wrote:
    The license plate backlight is the only one from external lighting that does not require any approval

    In fact, all light sources are checked in the process of allowing a vehicle to move and EACH of them (external lighting) must obtain a separate certificate of approval. As far as the technical review is concerned, the "manipulated" lighting of the license plate is treated as so-called. "minor defect" and allows to pass the test positively. Even not so long ago I wrote about it on the electrode, there is even a link to the recipe:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3267072.html
    wojtasek105 wrote:
    of course, nothing written about the approval, hence my question, whether I can legally ride on them
    Here we have another aspect of the matter requiring an emphasis: We already have a legal basis that the whiteboard lighting lamp does not have to meet the approval conditions. However, LED bulbs that are replacements of "mechanical" ordinary light bulbs (ie those with W5W, T10 - matching the holder) very often shine like torches - especially the older generation. And here you will not be able to rely on the mentioned recipe, because the approval is different, and what else is the visibility of the board highlighted with such candles ;)
    wojtasek105 wrote:

    The same applies to the cab backlight, or can it be attached to the overview?

    Once a policeman attached me to the road. I had such a blue "ambient light" inserted into a lamp above the mirror, glowing together with positional ones. He did not like the fact that they were visible through the rear window while driving. "Yes, yes - you are right, sir!" And that's it. ;)
    teskot wrote:
    In road traffic you must not use H4 bulbs other than 55 / 60W

    Not true. No provision in this regard uses the POWER of a light source. The light bulb must be homologated, it also has the scope of light specified by the regulations.
    wojtasek105 wrote:
    I see also + 150% Philips bulbs, what's the problem with such bulbs?

    The volumes were already written on this subject, but in short: someone once wanted to increase the power of classic, good-looking H4 bulbs. Zuwagi on the technological limitations of the filament material was not then possible to raise the filament temperature (almost immediately the filament burned out) that someone used a longer filament, with a thicker wire to thereby enlarge the surface of light emission. At the same operating temperature the filament had more power - but technologically it was a dead end, because the light was stronger, but a disproportionate part of the electricity was converted into infrared radiation - that is simply heat destroying the construction of the reflector. A much more important disadvantage of such a bulb is the shape of the filament: because it is much longer it ceases to be a point source of light as in an approved bulb. Partially "goes" so beyond the geometric center of the reflector and such a spotlight just starts to dazzle.
    Technological progress has allowed us to follow a different path - the shape of the filament is as it should be, the increase in light power is achieved by increasing the temperature of the fiber. The filament shines a lot brighter (whiter light), and additionally it allowed to increase the efficiency of the bulb - because the emission of infrared radiation is lower. This is just the idea of light bulbs "+ something there". It's easy to guess that the higher the percentage, the temperature of the filament must be higher. Unfortunately - this is related to its much lower resistance to the failure of the vehicle's charging system - mainly voltage spikes and continuous exceeding of the nominal voltage in which such a bulb can work. Probably there are signs of dissatisfaction about their rapid burning out. I personally do not complain. I care about the charging system and I do not notice a special shortening of their life compared to the classic H4
  • #14 16614558
    kkknc
    Level 43  
    With this lighting of the board, it is also not entirely.
  • #15 16614737
    madamsz1
    Level 41  
    I have LED table lighting for 7-8 years and no control has ever clung to it. And in the middle (inside I also have everything LED) even the policeman was pleased that light and bright :) - how he checked the steering wheel clearances. How good is the selection it looks good illuminates the table legibly, but it CAN NOT dazzle others, even the diagnostician told me that there is no problem.

    Mariusz
  • #16 16614828
    ociz
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    madamsz1 wrote:
    even the policeman was pleased that it was clear and bright - as he checked the steering wheel clearances
    You can see his competence, because he has no right to do it. So the opinion of such a policeman does not prove anything. With the rest, for example, kurpiach, and policemen often have their own private cars polished, like Christmas trees.
  • #17 16614880
    madamsz1
    Level 41  
    The truth is that you are different with them and you have to know what is going on because you can pay unnecessarily.

    Mariusz
  • #19 16616277
    marcin55246
    Level 25  
    ociz wrote:
    The license plate backlight is the only one from external lighting that does not require any approval. The only condition is that it has to glow in white. By the way, such a LED looks rustic, but who likes ...

    I do not like someone who has such diodes about the color of cold, probably around 6-7K, it looks just rustic for me, usually they are in lamps for "5 zlotys". I prefer the color of about 4.5K to 5K, so white but natural.
  • #20 16616302
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    He will not shoot you. You can always hit an idiot. No variations

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the legality and approval of using LED W5W bulbs for license plate and cab backlighting. Users inquire about the necessity of approval for these bulbs, with responses indicating that while most external lighting requires certification, license plate backlighting does not, provided it emits white light. Concerns are raised about the brightness of LED replacements, which can sometimes exceed legal limits. The conversation also touches on the use of H4 bulbs, emphasizing that only specific wattages are permitted on the road. Users share experiences with different bulb brands, highlighting preferences for quality and durability, particularly between Philips and Narva brands.
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