3W Wireless Power Transfer at 5V Over 2-4m: Frequency, MOSFETs, Antenna, Filters?

57 12

#1 21666487 13 Feb 2013 12:01

Sthitapragyan Pattanayak Sthitapragyan Patta...

Anonymous

Post #1
21666487 13 Feb 2013 12:01

I need to design a wireless power transmitter and receiver, so that at least 3 W (at 5 V) power is received at receiver section. Transmitter and receiver can be at maximum distance of 2 to 4 m. The transmitting and receiving antenna cant be more than 1 m. My idea is to generate a high frequency wave, and amplify it using *MOSFET* connected in *cascade*. Then improve the power by *darlington power transistors* and transmit it using an antenna. Rectify it in receiver by using Schottky diodes.

Please help me to choose.
# Appropriate operating frequency (please don't suggest microwave)
# Appropriate MOSFET and darlington transistors
# Appropriate antenna design (may be directive or non directive)
# Passive filter in receiver end

Can I increase the power strength of signal, simply by using high power amplifiers and coupling it to antenna by using transformer?

I know that radiated power is proportional to square of antenna current, which is again a function of radiation resistance. entire things goes more and more complicated in this way. Please help me to design such a transmitter (efficiency can be anything).
ADVERTISEMENT
#2 21666488 13 Feb 2013 13:07

Steve Lawson Steve Lawson

Anonymous

Post #2
21666488 13 Feb 2013 13:07

* Why do you need 3W to traverse 2 to 4 meters? Depending on frequency and terrain, 3W can travel quite a distance, especially if the transmitter [TX] and receiver [RX] can be in fixed locations -- if you have line-of-sight between TX and RX, then with a focused antenna system you can reach quite a distance with 3W. But then, I'm assuming you want to use this for communication or data transfer. So...

* What is the actual purpose or application?

* Not sure in what country you want to run this device, but you probably should check local ordinances for radiated power.

* Frequency choice will likely have much to do with laws governing the RF spectrum in your area.

Check out this site for ideas (and even legal implications):

http://www.arrl.org/radio-technology-topics
ADVERTISEMENT
#3 21666489 13 Feb 2013 20:43

Rodney Green Rodney Green

Anonymous

Post #3
21666489 13 Feb 2013 20:43

A transmitter for power transmission is likely to need a directional antenna.
The use of MOSFETS is excellent and 5 watts is not a problem either. A single band transmitter will be best and perhaps a crystal oscillator to keep it stable. There is dont forget, the legal requirement for a license for it as it can disrupt other services. Now you mentioned darlington transistors. These are not suitable for RF. A good start would be to have a transistor crystal oscillator, and buffer amp followed by a single ended class C MOSFET amplifier. I suggest a PD55008 by ST. If you need more information pleasse ask.
You did not mention frequency range. That will determine what components are needed
Are you trying to duplicate some of Teslas experiments?.
#4 21666490 13 Feb 2013 23:47

Sthitapragyan Pattanayak Sthitapragyan Patta...

Anonymous

Post #4
21666490 13 Feb 2013 23:47

the receiver is mobile with in a arena of 3*3 square meter area. my actual application is to run a autonomous line follower (which has two 1w motors) by wireless power transfer. i am experimenting this in an area which has neither any public establishments nor any other radio transmitter installed. i can also mount more antenna around the arena for better coverage. it would be better if it cover more distance, but the minimum requirement is 3 meters.

but i want to know the relation between frequency and received power.
ADVERTISEMENT
#5 21666491 14 Feb 2013 00:41

Sthitapragyan Pattanayak Sthitapragyan Patta...

Anonymous

Post #5
21666491 14 Feb 2013 00:41

i would design the circuit on a *perforated board(vero board)*. thus the wire *stray capacitance * would *limit the higher frequency* use. i know that E=hf. higher frequency means higher energy. but does it mean that higher frequency transmits higher power? i exactly wants the *relation between frequency used and power transmitted*. sir please specify the components required, and few details of power amplifer used. whether i would choose a Marconi type antenna or a yagi( parabolic antenna construction is difficult)? my actual application is to run a autonomous line follower (which has two 1w motors) by wireless power transfer. i am experimenting this in an area which has neither any public establishments nor any other radio transmitter installed.
#6 21666492 14 Feb 2013 00:44

Sthitapragyan Pattanayak Sthitapragyan Patta...

Anonymous

Post #6
21666492 14 Feb 2013 00:44

please choose any frequency so that it would not be affected by wire stray capacitance and interectrode capacitance.
#7 21666493 14 Feb 2013 00:51

Mark Harrington Mark Harrington

Anonymous

Post #7
21666493 14 Feb 2013 00:51

Try the ARRL amatuer radio handbook You can still purchase these believe it or not Or amatuer radio sites
#8 21666494 16 Feb 2013 11:19

sachin Kothari sachin Kothari

Anonymous

Post #8
21666494 16 Feb 2013 11:19

I would like you to read some thing more about Testla experiment as people have mentioned
and What you are looking for the amount of wireless power transfer depends lot of parameters
and Also you have to go thru regulation requirement as well
Friis equation will give you a better idea for what you need to do

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friis_transmission_equation

This is a basic idea for what you need to select for in terms of frequency , antenna and distance

I hope this helps
#9 21666495 16 Feb 2013 14:29

Steve Lawson Steve Lawson

Anonymous

Post #9
21666495 16 Feb 2013 14:29

Consider that wireless energy transmission has possible health issues. Consider the implications of the electrical system in your body exposed to medium to high density RF energy -- is there no affect? Consider that even subtle affects can be significant. Not to mention the cooking power of RF -- have you ever touched the antenna out of a 60W 40M CW transmitter while it is keyed? I have -- burnings to the bone!!
#10 21666496 16 Feb 2013 17:16

Mark Harrington Mark Harrington

Anonymous

Post #10
21666496 16 Feb 2013 17:16

Here is a very good link which has good explanation, theory y plus practical experiments

http://www.powerlabs.org/plasmaglobes.htm

Looks like fun : _ The days i can remember which made learning interesting with good group involvement and kept class attention instead of the boring put you to sleep lectures

Here is another link for you if you like that type of science

Also interesting
http://www.coilgun.info/levitation/home.htm

or

http://www.harrington.force9.co.uk/SciencePhy...er/High%20Frequency%20Induction%20Heating.htm

If you want more of those type of links goto my home page at this address

http://www.harrington.force9.co.uk/SciencePhysics/Science.htm

Or this link stuff you dont see in class rooms anymore

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html

How to build these magnificant machines

Or you might like this

http://makeprojects.com/Project/Simple+Van+de+Graaff+Generator/2072/1#.UR6syHr6Bak

Real fun
ADVERTISEMENT
#11 21666497 16 Feb 2013 17:57

Mark Harrington Mark Harrington

Anonymous

Post #11
21666497 16 Feb 2013 17:57

There is also this site as well quite good

http://www.mos.org/live-presentations/lightning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator

This is where you can buy the belts from i would have thought Indian rubber would be quite good as well for this and a couple of dog bowls tied together to form the dome

Any way theres another link for you
http://www.ensalco.com/urabelt/vandegraffinfo.asp
#12 21666498 16 Feb 2013 18:04

Mark Harrington Mark Harrington

Anonymous

Post #12
21666498 16 Feb 2013 18:04

And some more Tesla sites with Jacobs ladder etc

http://www.tesla-coil.com/
#13 21666499 01 Apr 2014 19:52

Hadley Lockington Hadley Lockington

Anonymous

Post #13
21666499 01 Apr 2014 19:52

These guys claim to have the safest wireless charging platforms:

"http://powerbyproxi.com/wireless-charging/(Power by Proxi)":http://powerbyproxi.com/wireless-charging/

Many would consider the ICNIRP guidelines as a reference to the limits of RF energy humans can be exposed to before it becoming harmful.

"http://www.icnirp.de/PubEMF.htm(ICBIRP)":http://www.icnirp.de/PubEMF.htm

Although they don't seem to go into specifics in the realm of wireless power, this doesn't mean that wireless systems operating under these guidelines would be unsafe.

Electromagnetic fields are considered to be at the lower end of the exposure spectrum.
Create an account, log in here. You will receive points by participating in discussions.
Join this discussion.

Install Elektroda application

Didn't find an answer? Ask Artificial Intelligence

*I agree to send the question to OpenAI, Anthropic PBC, Perplexity AI, Inc., Kagi Inc., Google LLC - owners of language models in order to prepare the best response. The companies may monitor and log information entered into the form.

*I agree to publicly display my question and answer. The question and answer will be publicly available to everyone. The process may take a few minutes. Upon completion, you will be redirected to the page with the answer.

Wait...(2min)

Topic summary

The discussion focuses on designing a wireless power transfer system capable of delivering at least 3 W at 5 V over a distance of 2 to 4 meters, with transmitter and receiver antennas limited to 1 meter in size. The user plans to generate a high-frequency signal amplified by cascaded MOSFETs and Darlington power transistors, transmitting via an antenna and rectifying at the receiver with Schottky diodes. Key considerations include selecting an appropriate operating frequency (excluding microwave bands), suitable MOSFETs and Darlington transistors, antenna design (directive or non-directive), and passive filtering at the receiver. Responses emphasize the importance of frequency choice based on regulatory constraints and stray capacitance effects, recommending stable single-band transmitters with crystal oscillators and class C MOSFET amplifiers (e.g., PD55008 by ST). Darlington transistors are discouraged for RF amplification. Directional antennas are advised for power transmission to improve efficiency and range. The Friis transmission equation is suggested for estimating link budget and power requirements. Safety concerns regarding RF exposure and legal regulations are highlighted. Additional resources include amateur radio handbooks and links to Tesla coil and induction heating experiments. The user’s application involves powering a mobile autonomous line follower robot within a 3x3 m arena, requiring stable wireless power delivery without interference. Increasing transmitted power via high-power amplifiers and transformer coupling is questioned, with emphasis on antenna current and radiation resistance affecting radiated power.
Summary generated by the language model.

3W Wireless Power Transfer at 5V Over 2-4m: Frequency, MOSFETs, Antenna, Filters?

Didn't find an answer? Ask Artificial Intelligence

Topic summary