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Gas & Electrical Installation: Horizontal Distance Guidelines for Cable Trays & Surface-Mounted

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  • #1 5179722
    Marsal20
    Level 13  
    Hello!
    Are there any guidelines regarding the horizontal distance of gas installation and surface-mounted electrical installation in cable trays? It is about the distances that should be kept between these strings
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  • #2 5179878
    PEJO
    Level 22  
    Personally, I have not heard of such a thing, but it does not mean that there is no such provision (especially in Poland).
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  • #3 5180249
    qazqaz123
    Level 11  
    Hello,
    If the gas density is lower than that of air (e.g. natural gas), then the gas installation running parallel to the electrical installation should be at least 10 cm higher. however, at all intersections of the installation, the distance should be at least 2 cm.
    But this is what gas engineers do, because the gas installation is usually performed after the electrical installation is completed.
    greetings
  • #4 5180819
    Marsal20
    Level 13  
    Thanks. It's more about modernizing the electrics, so I'm asking.
    And the distance from the cans, connectors and sockets to the pipe? Somewhere I read that 60cm but this applies to the gas meter.
  • #5 6012717
    Marsal20
    Level 13  
    I come back to the topic.

    ORDINANCE
    MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE

    of April 12, 2002

    on the technical conditions to be met by buildings and their location.

    (Journal of Laws of June 15, 2002)

    Chapter 7

    Gas installation for gaseous fuels

    § 164. 3. In relation to the pipes of other installations constituting the equipment of the building (heating, water supply, sewage, electricity, lightning protection, etc.), gas installation lines should be located in a manner ensuring their safe use. The distance between the gas system pipes and other pipes should be sufficient for maintenance work.
    4. Horizontal sections of gas installations should be located at a distance of at least 0.1 m above other installation pipes, and if the gas density is higher than the air density - below electrical cables and sparking devices.
    5. Gas system lines crossing other installation lines should be at least 0.02 m away from them.
    § 167. Gas meters may not be installed:
    1) in living quarters, bathrooms or other places where there is a risk of corrosion (moisture, vapors of chemical compounds, etc.),
    2) in common recesses with electric meters,
    3) at a distance less than 1 m from the gas burner or other furnace in the horizontal projection,
    4) at a distance of less than 3 m from the gas appliance, measured in the extended length of the conduit.

    § 168. 1. Gas meters should be installed in the height range from 0.3 m to 1.8 m from the floor level to the bottom of the gas meter or at least 0.5 m from the ground level.
    2. Gas meters for measuring gas flow with a density lower than the air density should be placed above the electric meter and other devices that may spark, and for gas with a density higher than the air density - by at least 0.3 m below the meter and such devices.
    3. Gas meters installed without cabinets, on the same level as electric meters or other devices capable of sparking, should be at least 1 m away from them.
    4. It is allowed to reduce the distance referred to in sec. 3, if between these devices is made a barrier of non-flammable material at least 0.5 m above and below the gas meter, and a projection greater by at least 0.1 m from the distance of the gas meter face from the wall on which it is installed.
    § 173. 1. When installing gas appliances, the following conditions must be met:
    1) gas appliances should be connected permanently to steel or copper pipes of the gas installation or with the use of flexible metal pipes,
    2) the valve shutting off the gas supply to the device should be placed in the room where the gas device is installed, in an easily accessible place, not more than 1 m from the connection stub,
    3) cookers and gas stoves should be installed at a distance of at least 0.5 m from the windows to the side of the device, measured in the plan view,
    4) space heaters, the temperature of which may exceed 60 ° C, should be installed at a distance of at least 0.3 m from walls made of readily flammable, plastered materials and at a distance of 0.6 m from wall elements made of readily inflammable materials, not covered with plaster,
    5) flowing water gas heaters should be installed on walls made of non-flammable materials or insulated from walls made of flammable materials with a plate made of non-flammable material.
    2. Gas appliances requiring relocation, such as torches, flasks, soldering irons, may be installed with flexible hoses intended for such purposes.


    Unfortunately, these standards do not contain what I need, i.e. the distance, boxes and surface-mounted sockets from the gas pipe.
    They wrote horizontally that 10cm, and vertically ??
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  • #6 6018515
    siuada
    Level 12  
    qazqaz123 wrote:
    Hello,
    If the gas density is lower than that of air (e.g. natural gas), then the gas installation running parallel to the electrical installation should be at least 10 cm higher. however, at all intersections of the installation, the distance should be at least 2 cm.
    But this is what gas engineers do, because the gas installation is usually performed after the electrical installation is completed.
    greetings

    Logic dictates that the electrical installation should be done after any plumbing work, otherwise the results can be dire.
  • #7 6018777
    jurekN
    Level 23  
    We do not plan so far as the deadline passes, all specialists agree and one bothers one another, maybe it is changing slowly, but a lot of water will pass before it is done wisely.
  • #8 6018893
    siuada
    Level 12  
    Fortunately, my company works only on the recommendation and choice of [our] so we almost always have the possibility to arrange the order of works and if this does not suit the investor, let him look for a "better" one
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  • #9 6021541
    janhen
    Level 22  
    Hello
    Col. suada. Gas installations, as the name suggests, are not hydraulic installations, i.e. water installations.
    and electric under plaster, plaster and as a plug-in. On the other hand, gas installations are always surface-mounted (on top). The electrician must arrange the cables and position junction boxes and end boxes as well as protections so that they do not interfere with subsequent gas installations. The logic as to the sequence of installation works is not always logical, but is often twisted.
  • #10 14879766
    PL_NukeR
    Level 16  
    What about connections? nowhere is it clearly stated at what distances the connections should be led in relation to each other. For example, Electricity and Gas should be 1.5 m apart (ground). Somewhere I heard that you can lead such connections closer, for example in one trench, but you have to use "casing pipes". Where can I find the exact requirements?
    I am asking because I have to connect the utilities to the plot, everything will fly in the ground, in a belt with a maximum width of 4m (as there will be an entrance). I do not want to dig 4 ditches, so it will be better to run media, for example 2: gas + water, sewage + electricity. additionally, from the pole where the box hangs, I have to run a cable about 20m along the fence. unfortunately, a gas pipeline runs parallel to the fence 1 m from the fence.
  • #11 14880073
    TWK
    Electrician specialist
    These issues are regulated by the Regulation of the Minister of Economy on technical conditions to be met by gas networks and their location, item 640 from 2013. I recommend reading. I would also like to point out that the change of the location of the network in relation to the agreed design is not possible without reconciliation.
  • #12 14883106
    kedziorq1
    Level 15  
    Hello
    In the case of connections, the N-SEP-E-004 standard can be used. According to this standard
    for devices installed directly in the ground, the horizontal distance from the LV cable line to the gas is 0.25 + the diameter of the pipeline, i.e. 25 cm in the light.
    I know from experience (I design networks) that PSG (owner of low pressure gas pipelines) does not agree on projects if the distance of the designed LV network from gas is less than 40 cm in the light.
     §  22.  1. Przy zbliżeniach gazociągów do elementów uzbrojenia terenu odległość między powierzchnią zewnętrzną
    ścianki gazociągu i skrajnymi elementami uzbrojenia terenu powinna wynosić nie mniej niż 0,4 m, a przy skrzyżowaniach
    – nie mniej niż 0,2 m

    REGULATION OF THE MINISTER OF ECONOMY of April 26, 2013.
    on the technical conditions to be met by gas networks and their location

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the guidelines for maintaining horizontal distances between gas installations and surface-mounted electrical installations in cable trays. Key points include that gas installations should be positioned at least 10 cm above electrical installations if the gas density is lower than air, with a minimum distance of 2 cm at intersections. The Polish regulation from April 12, 2002, specifies that gas installation lines must be at least 0.1 m above other pipes and 0.02 m away from crossing lines. Additional queries about distances from connectors and sockets to gas pipes suggest a recommended distance of 60 cm, particularly concerning gas meters. The N-SEP-E-004 standard indicates a minimum horizontal distance of 0.25 m plus the diameter of the gas pipeline for underground installations, with a preference for 40 cm in practice. The discussion emphasizes the importance of following regulations and standards to ensure safety and compliance during installation.
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