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  • #1 8219982
    koliuk
    Level 24  
    Hello!

    Recently, I sold a lot to my friends cracked rings, earrings, torn bracelets or even necklaces, but all of them in silver so that ordinary tin would not stand out :) I didn't take gold for obvious reasons. Honestly, the effect of soldering with an ordinary tin of silver with more care, polishing and dedication of time was satisfactory because little was visible :)

    But to the point, tell me how and with what should be repaired jewelry? I mean silver and gold. As far as I know, goldsmiths do it so that you can hardly see anything and I'm curious how they do it?

    greetings :)
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  • #2 8220094
    Zygaqra
    Level 35  
    What is the title of the post to the question in it? Gold with gold, silver with silver, can it be otherwise? Soldering silver with tin is a poor half-measure, it only looks nice at first.
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  • #3 8220106
    stroggo81717
    Level 31  
    I always thought HP was only hardcore ;) .
  • #4 8220215
    LuckyDj
    Level 33  
    Quote:
    all in silver so that ordinary tin would not stand out

    I thought I was the only one doing that :)
    Lately, I've been getting chains and other pendants to be soldered more often than plates.
    I think I'll change my job ;)
  • #5 8220269
    koliuk
    Level 24  
    Good topic I changed; D
    I didn't know how to put it :)

    LuckyDj is downtime and what to do xD

    Zygaqra, I mean a more specific answer, pointing to a link, what does it look like? I found a video on YouTube but there was a gold ring connected with a burner (it melted and joined and then polished) but like small things like a chain where you won't do it with a burner because half of the eyelets would drown?
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  • #6 8275898
    janfelix
    Level 11  
    You won't learn it from any link. Only practice at the gorgetmaker will show you that even small, silver elements are soldered with a torch and silver solder.
  • #7 9527906
    orwo777
    Level 9  
    I do not know if the topic is still current, but I will try to answer the question because it is my profession.
    We solder gold with gold solder, silver with silver solder.
    Solder for gold and silver is simply gold or silver with an admixture of other metals that lower the melting point by 50 * -100 * from the melting point of the brazed metals (these metals are cadmium, zinc in various proportions).
    As the solder melts faster than the soldered metal, we connect two elements with solder, the main component of which is the same metal as the bonded metal.
    This is done with a propane-butane + air burner.
    The principle is identical to tin soldering, only higher temperature.
    It is not difficult, but requires some practice.
    If you have any questions, I am happy to help.

    greetings,
    WO
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  • #9 9528241
    koliuk
    Level 24  
    orwo777 well, a burner, but I can not imagine that, for example, you will solder a very fine chain with this method ... What are you holding it with? How do you sand it afterwards so that the solder is not visible if the eyes are very small?

    What does such a process look like with such small details when made by large fingers? Could you show what you, for example, use (equipment)?
  • #10 9528501
    orwo777
    Level 9  
    You solder the chains (even the smallest ones).

    There are 2 types of chains:

    1. eyelet
    2.links

    eyelets:
    you must connect before soldering always 2 links together (like a circle in a circle, you have to manually put it together with tweezers), place such a complex chain gently on a fireclay plate, or on a charcoal plate, brush the surface to be joined with a brush with a soldering iron (borax dissolved in warm water), then apply with a brush pellet (the bundle is a miniature piece of solder, fitted to the size of the solder spot, typical is 1x1mm flat).
    Then you gently heat the soldering area with a torch as the solder "grows" and the solder may "pop out".
    When water particles evaporate from the solder, then you heat the soldered place with a stronger flame (with more air), you do it with a pulsating motion, slightly moving the burner nozzle away and bringing it closer, because too strong a burner flame can stiffen the cells next to the soldering point.
    If the chain is really small, then unfortunately you are not able to solder only 1 link and rigidly solder 2 neighboring links, but this is such a precise work that you cannot see it.

    links:
    you need to on the fireclay plate, arrange the 2 ends as close to each other as possible (In general, the rule is always this: the more carefully you assemble 2 pieces to be soldered, the easier it will be to connect them with solder).

    Then you do as with an eyelet chain.
    I know it sounds difficult, but it's all a matter of practice.
    The goal is to connect the 2 pieces so as not to stiffen the rest of the chain.
    For soldering, I use a typical propane butane gas gun torch.
    After soldering, you do not grind anything, it is a fine point, almost invisible.
    All you need to do is clean the soldering area stain (the stain is a 10% solution of sulfuric acid or acetic acid, which frees the solder point of dark metal oxides formed during heating with a burner).
    You wipe with a cloth and it's ready :)
    ps.

    A colleague in the link above gave the contact information to the art store. there is an interesting device there: the PUK3 micro welder works exactly like a typical welding machine, allows you to connect the elements without too much heating, the only drawback is the price of about 10,000 PLN.
    Regards, WO

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around jewelry repair techniques, specifically for silver and gold items. Participants emphasize the importance of using appropriate soldering materials, such as silver solder for silver and gold solder for gold, rather than using inferior materials like tin. The process involves using a propane-butane torch to heat the solder, which is a metal alloy that lowers the melting point of the base metals. Detailed methods for soldering small components, such as chains and eyelets, are shared, highlighting the need for precision and practice. A link to a video demonstrating micro welding for chain connections without heating is also provided.
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