Comparing Knecht, Mann, Bosch to Filtron, WF Sędziszów, 4Max

Hello
I have a question, according to your opinion, what filters are the best when it comes to oil, fuel, air, you know Knecht Mann Bosch cost a lot because they are said to be the best. I have recently purchased a Filtron fuel filter for a truck and it is priced similar to Mann.
What do you think about other companies, WF Sędziszów, 4Max, Luber-Finer, Champion, Topran, WIX, etc.

I am not a mechanic but an electronics engineer, but recently I have to order filters at work for Man CAT engines, so I am asking.

Filtron sells completely different (better) products than ours to the Western market, which is why this brand is a bottom for me.

I won't say a bad word to Sędziszowskie. On Filtron I personally - I will not say anything bad either, but I have read that apparently people have problems with them - when it comes to passenger cars. When I was changing the filters in a Touran drawn from Germany-air, I pulled out a Filtron with the logos of Audi, VW, SEAT, Skoda.
Personally, in the MB W124 I had a problem with the KAGER oil filter. It was a cartridge and fell apart when taken out, but there were no similar problems with the Filtron or Sędziszów filters.

The Volvo and Cat loaders that I worked with were always fitted with appropriate Mc'Donalds filter sets and original Cat ones.
I don't know much about this Mc'Donalds - I was looking for their catalog once, but I fell. The filters themselves did not cause any problems, the air - and I often looked at them - it was often necessary to tap on the dust (such a temporary extension of use, until periodic replacement), they seemed solid and fit well in the filter housing. These filters were put on during periodic replacements + ad hoc repairs, which were contracted by a construction machinery company, so I suppose they used these because the priority was price.
I haven't had a deep interest in this topic, but I have a question for you. What is the matter of the prices of filters, e.g. air for such a truck, depending on the manufacturing company?
Is Filtron / Sędziszów much more cost-competitive than, for example, MANN or Knecht?
As percentage how would you describe it? Of course, I know how it compares between passenger car filters and trucks or construction machinery .

Fuel filter with Sparator Mann 170 PLN, Filtron 160 PLN.

Mann filters are called MANN Filter of green color, in the filter descriptions in the list of substitute numbers, Man is written by one N what is the difference between MANN and MAN

They come with unscrewed oil filters, usually hart-a or max-gear, and the gasket is hard as PVC, not rubber
A certain astra g 2.0 dtl after replacing the fuel filter with torpan - and it completely fell out of power after inserting the filtron - and it regained power - and the guest argued that it cannot depend on the filter
At home, I mainly install the filtrron, Bosch, purflux for the French and there were no complaints about these filters

You know, that's what I'm listening to and I'm surprised - about Filtron oil filters. I never got a spouse. I'm not a brand enthusiast, but the most readily available from me. For everything (including oil and fuel).

I also never complained about the filtron. Now let me tell you a little story. A few years ago I was making a Voyager engine. The client himself ordered parts from the states because it was half cheaper than in Poland. He also ordered an oil filter there. After collecting the package and checking the filter, he saw the words "made in Poland"

Talking about filters with people who trade parts and I advise against the filtron. It is true that they do filters for the 1st assembly, but the oil filters dissolve and the pollen / air filters lose efficiency quickly. I noticed that the filter gives crap rubber covers to the air filters, so they do not fit perfectly and distort over time.

As for cheap and good ones, I checked purflux and alco- I have no reservations.

If someone is not interested in costs, it is mann and knecht.

When it comes to filters, the key is the quality of the filter paper. Therefore, I would not have the courage to install a 4MAX or maxgeer filter or any other from China for the customer. For modern injection systems, I do not use a xxx fuel filter, only Bosch. For Delphi systems, if available, Delphi. These are probably the only producers who provide filtration at the level of 2um, which I would not expect from other producers. You shouldn't save on fuel filters. The cost of repairing the system is much higher. The only filter that I can put on a customer from some exotic company is the cabin filter, because this one is unlikely to make costs in the car.

I recommend AB Filter and purflux, the first one is very good quality in relation to the price and Polish production, and the second French production is also very good but more expensive.

amm212 wrote:

When it comes to filters, the quality of the tissue paper is the key

Not only that, it is also important what happens to her later. First of all, it is toughened to be resistant to temperature and moisture, it turns yellow during this process, so the whiteer it is, you can immediately let it go. Properly profiled notches or other similar protections so that the ribs do not "stick", thus reducing the filtering surface.

I could just show you, but I don't want to take pictures when you don't make filters. I recently bought a Filtron for a BRC LPG valve. The surface of the blotting paper is large, but what about it when everything is so packed that there is practically no free space between the ribs.

I just after several years of using Mann or Knecht filters in Seat Ibiza - I bought a filtrron, because it happened to be on the Polish market.

The result - after 300 km, the camshafts and glasses smashed into dust.
There was no pressure.
I am not a mechanic, but a friend who has a fairly large VW service, he warned me about the filtron- years later- I took a risk - and now I have.

His opinion - on 300 filters-20 complaints - was what he had when he set up the filtron.

I do not agree, I mainly install the filtron at work and there are no problems

I personally use PZL Sędziszów and I consider these filters to be No. 1, i.e. top! I have never been disappointed.
And, about Filtron (present Mann) I also heard that they went down suddenly. Apparently, after the fact that Mann took over the plant, the quality decreased, Is it true, I do not know? Or maybe this hostile takeover by the Germans of a Polish company with good traditions? To lead Filtron to complete ruin and eliminate competition in Poland? Fortunately, PZL Sędziszów is in Polish hands. And I consider PZL Sędziszów filters to be top shelf products. Reliably produced, great in quality. I have never had problems with Sędziszów filters, No. 1! I would not be surprised when half of the world was taken from them and sold in their exclusive brands And good, let Polish plants be good, cheap, ok for me!

bizon_126 wrote:

I do not agree, I mainly install the filtron at work and there are no problems

I change my position
After a few mishaps after the assembly [Continuous airing] in 1.5 dci 1.8 tdci 1.4 hdi I do not recommend the filtrron anymore

I drove about 300kkm on the filters with various cars and there were never any problems.

I personally use Knecht, Mann, Hengst, Purflux and OE as they are available (especially Japan).

I am for my Skoda Octavia 1 1.9 TDI Filtron for 3 years and nothing is happening.
For trucks up to 10 years old it is Hengst, MANN
Trucks over 10 years and Filtron construction machinery.
So far there have been no problems.

In my Opel Mann the oil flew apart - normally, after unscrewing the rattle, the whole middle fell off / peeled off, nothing like this ever happened on the Filtron.
I bought Mann because there was no Filtron.
When it comes to air filters for compressor / blower machines (the same as for Europiclon construction machines) only Mann + Hummel - the differences in quality between Mann and others are immediately visible in Mann's favor.

Currently, I am waiting for the complaint of the knechta fuel filter to be considered 1.8T

As the subject from the dead has risen definitely not I recommend Bosch, it used to be quality and brand ... but what is now produced is a total failure, at least when it comes to fuel filters, although it also went with the price ...,

A few years ago Bosch, Knecht or UFI cost about PLN 130, now Knecht or UFI is at PLN 90 and Bosch PLN 50, so I took it ... after using it out of curiosity (as always) I cut it in half, it turned out that the filtering material is no longer two-part 'paper' and 'blotting paper' as it used to be in these filters, but the 'paper' itself, and it's about 30% of what it used to be, and the blotting paper not at all. From those years ago, when the material was soaked with oil, it was not possible to remove it from the casing, now it falls out on its own, takes less than half the volume of the can ...

You can easily put on maxgear

@rome_k T. You can assume whatever you want. The problems come after that.

Romek T. wrote:

You can easily put on maxgear

A friend installed the air filter on the Audi, a lot of hair was sticking out of it, after not too long a flow fell - a coincidence?

And I personally already replaced a few Filtron fuel filters that the owner had put in place the day before. Their throughput was so low that the cars did not want to go. This is especially true for fuel pre-filter cartridges in trucks. Personally, I will never buy or recommend Filtron.

bizon_126 wrote:

A friend installed the air filter on the Audi, a lot of hair was sticking out of it, after not too long a flow fell - a coincidence?

Maybe yes maybe no. Filters, the more often they are replaced, the better, and how often they are replaced, a cheap MG or other low-end is enough.

It may not put filters at all. Because a cheap filter is as if it was not there.
And the need for more frequent replacement is eliminated.

Purfluxes better than filtron or manna for the French? Because the price of the purflux is the same as the filtron. Mann is slightly more expensive.

Purflux does the orig. filters, and the filtrron in my opinion is the shelf of MG, hartów, etc.

It is packed with mann.bosch