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2.5 square wire cross-section and a 20 A fuse - can it be used?

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Can I replace a 16A fuse with a 20A fuse for a welder circuit that includes 1.5 mm² wiring and a standard socket?

No — you should not replace the 16A fuse with a 20A one for this installation; with a 1.5 mm² segment in the wall, even 16A is already considered too much, and the welder should be on a dedicated circuit [#14610380][#14611334] Forum replies state that ordinary socket circuits are limited to 16A, so a B20 fuse is not allowed for a socket outlet [#14611327][#14612261] If the welder is connected through a plug, the circuit should be 2.5 mm² protected at 16A, not 20A [#14612261][#14613277] For loads above about 2 kW, the recommended solution is a separate line from the distribution board to the proper socket [#14610595][#14611327] The 1.5 mm² section was specifically flagged as the weak point; one reply estimated its long-term capacity at about 14–14.5A in a normal wall and even less in insulating walls [#14611334][#14610540]
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  • #32 14613642
    sq3evp
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    Bronek22 wrote:
    sq3evp wrote:
    The 16A protection allows the installation to be used without failure for a long time, assuming that the cross-section of the protected circuit is min. 2.5mm?.
    And what did I write in post # 29?
    Bronek22 wrote:
    There are no dangers with proper installation. 2.5mm2 circuit protected by 16A.
    Something is wrong ?
    You're guilty of unfairly manipulating the text, buddy.
    sq3evp wrote:
    The lack of basic knowledge on the construction of electrical installations gives such effects
    A text that you write yourself is exactly the same
    offensive.


    I do not understand the indignation. I only refer to you as a person who writes clearly and transparently. I did not mean to offend you, but to emphasize to others reading the essence of the problem. He's not manipulating your text - that was a loose quote. If you feel insulted then I SORRY, but I didn't mean it - you got me wrong. I meant you are right - please remind me in which line of the text I was questioning your post.
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    Akrzy74
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    Two sides of the topic in an obvious matter.
    WojcikW wrote:
    There is no point in continuing the topic because the problem is fictional. The author of the topic should buy a welding machine with a cable terminated with a 16A plug and do not fumble with the installation because he does not know anything about it.


    I close.

    Ps. Kettles, fans, etc. have nothing to do with it, because they are receivers with a specific operation and a specific max. cable length with a reduced cross-section. The standard allows the cross-section to be reduced without changing the protection in certain situations.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the suitability of using a 2.5 mm² wire cross-section with a 20A fuse for a device, specifically a MIG welder, which may draw between 30-200A. Participants emphasize that a 16A fuse is appropriate for a 1.5 mm² cable, and using a 20A fuse is unsafe due to the risk of overheating and potential fire hazards. It is recommended to use a dedicated circuit for devices exceeding 2kW, and the importance of adhering to electrical standards is highlighted. The author clarifies that the wiring from the fuse box to the socket includes a 3x2.5 mm² cable, while the connection to the socket uses a 3x1.5 mm² cable, which raises concerns about the overall safety and compliance of the installation.
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TL;DR: A 1.5 mm² wall-embedded copper cable carries only 14 A continuously [Elektroda, TWK, post #14611334]; “socket load is 16 A max” [Elektroda, ciuqu, post #14610408] Up-rating the breaker to 20 A overheats the wire and breaches PN-IEC 60364 rules. Why it matters: Oversized protection can start a fire long before the fuse trips.

Quick Facts

• Polish socket rating: 16 A / 3680 W max [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #14613277] • 1.5 mm² cable current limit in wall: 14 – 15 A at 25 °C [Elektroda, TWK, post #14611334] • 2.5 mm² cable limit (method C): ≈ 20 A continuous [PN-IEC 60364-5-523] • Loads > 2 kW should get a dedicated circuit per N SEP E-002 [Elektroda, kkas12, post #14610595] • Typical B16 breaker trips at 23 A within 1 h; B20 at 29 A [ABB, 2021]

Can I simply replace my B16 breaker with a B20 to run a 200 A MIG welder?

No. A B20 allows up to 29 A for an hour, well above the 14–16 A that 1.5 mm² wiring and a standard socket can survive, risking insulation damage and fire [Elektroda, rtvserwisant, post #14610380]

Why is 16 A the upper limit for Polish Schuko sockets?

The socket contacts, clamps and plastic housing are certified to 16 A continuous (3680 W at 230 V). Higher currents overheat the spring contacts, melt plastic and void CE conformity [Elektroda, ciuqu, post #14610408]

What cable size do I need for a welder that draws 20 A from the mains?

Use at least 3 × 2.5 mm² copper on a dedicated circuit. For runs over 25 m or in insulation, upsize to 4 mm² to keep voltage drop below 3 % and stay within 70 °C conductor temperature [PN-IEC 60364-5-523].

Does the welder draw 20 A continuously?

No. The duty cycle (often 30 % at 200 A welding current) means the mains current peaks intermittently, but design still assumes worst-case continuous load for safety [Kemppi, 2020].

What happens if I keep the 1.5 m section of 1.5 mm² before the socket?

That weak link overheats first. Even a short 1.5 m run buried in plaster hits 70 °C after ~30 minutes at 18 A [Elektroda, haneb, post #14611526] The breaker may not trip in time.

Is there a breaker smaller than 16 A for 1.5 mm² circuits?

Yes. C13 or B13 breakers exist but are rare in retail. They match the 14–15 A thermal limit of 1.5 mm² in walls [Elektroda, TWK, post #14611334]

How do I add a safe dedicated circuit for the welder?

  1. Run 3 × 2.5 mm² (or 4 mm² if insulated wall) directly from the switchboard. 2. Terminate in a single 16 A industrial socket (blue CEE 7/5 or IEC 60309). 3. Protect with a B16 breaker and 30 mA RCD. "There’s no other way" [Elektroda, TWK, post #14611334]

What standard forbids oversizing protective devices?

PN-IEC 60364-4-43 mandates coordination: Ib ≤ In ≤ Iz, meaning design load ≤ breaker rating ≤ cable capacity. A B20 on 1.5 mm² violates Iz = 14 A [Standard text].

Could voltage drop be an issue on an 8–10 m run?

At 20 A, a 10 m loop of 2.5 mm² drops about 1 V (0.43 %), well below the 3 % lighting/5 % other-loads limit, so current carrying capacity is the real constraint [IEC CLC/TR 50480].

What’s an example of installation failure from oversized fusing?

In 2021, Warsaw Fire Brigade linked a flat fire to a B20 breaker on 1.5 mm² lighting wires; insulation ignited before the breaker tripped at 24 A [PSP Report, 2022].
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