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[Solved] 1.5mm Wire for Power Outlet: Can It Safely Lead to an Electrical Socket?

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  • #1 1720507
    stiflerdan
    Level 12  
    Hello, I have a question, can a 1.5 mm wire lead to a power outlet?
    I am asking for answers.
    best regards
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    #2 1720513
    pol032
    Level 24  
    it is possible if the load on this socket does not exceed 10 Amps and the frame from the fuse to the socket does not exceed 30 meters. I would advise you to put a 2.5 mm cable better because you never know what will be connected to it one day
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  • #3 1720583
    lisos
    Level 22  
    cable with a cross-section of 1.5 mm (not a diameter) is adapted to all sockets, the 2.5 cable is used exaggerated and, in my opinion, unnecessarily because many burned out sockets with this cable are caused by bad contact, loosening or poor assembly at the connection point with screw in the socket
    why use a 2.5 cable if the socket is not designed for a greater load
  • #4 1720622
    lechm56
    Moderator
    Yes you can 3x1.5mm Cu
  • #5 1720655
    stiflerdan
    Level 12  
    I have one more question, will the power plant pick it up? And can I run the wires above the window?
  • #6 1720717
    Darektbg
    Level 21  
    I think she should pick it up in the standards, nothing says about the distance to the windows.
  • #7 1720902
    UBL21
    Level 20  
    According to the new regulations, a 2.5 mm2 wire should be used for sockets and 1.5 mm2 for lighting. There may be problems if the installation is to be commissioned.
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  • #8 1720943
    waldekel
    Level 28  
    The cable cross-section should be adapted to its load and protection.
    It is assumed that a 2.5 mm square cable should be used for the sockets. It does not have to be a rule - see above.
  • #9 1721330
    trzy8
    Level 21  
    1.5 is enough if you do not heat the apartment electrically.
    There are no cross-sections in the standards, the size of the load is decisive.
    2.5 connected socket is more difficult to attach.
    I had no problems with receiving the installation.
    I recommend 1.5, but recalculate the power of the devices and choose the right one.
  • #10 1722781
    waldekel
    Level 28  
    trzy8 wrote:
    There are no cross-sections in the standards, the load size is decisive

    and the size of the protection for a circuit with a specific cross-section of conductors [/ b]
  • #11 1723426
    twingo
    Level 17  
    UBL21 wrote:
    According to the new regulations, a 2.5 mm2 wire should be used for sockets and 1.5 mm2 for lighting. There may be problems if the installation is to be commissioned.


    Can you tell me what the standard is?

    In newly built apartments, contractors use 1.5mm2 for sockets even in the kitchen and you think they are at odds with the regulations ...
  • #12 1723458
    pol032
    Level 24  
    Question: With what current and what power can a 1.5 mm2 wire be loaded and what 2.5 mm2 with a voltage of 230 Volt .. ???
    Usually, the sockets in the house are designed for 16 amps and lighting is 10 amps, and such fuses are usually used to protect these circuits. Maybe I'm wrong, somebody correct me
  • #13 1723489
    twingo
    Level 17  
    I will correct you - hardly anyone uses a 16 A Socket protection for one socket - usually several sockets are connected to such a protection. Same with lighting. It is customary to give one fuse for the entire lighting in the apartment.

    Of course, these are "standards" used on construction sites, it is known for what reasons ..
    A private investor, if the wallet allows it, can use the security of each slot.
    Generally, unfortunately, it is like that - as long as it is cheaper and faster.
  • #14 1723551
    pol032
    Level 24  
    That's right, hardly anyone makes separate circuits, but for an automatic washing machine or kettle that has a power consumption of over 2000 watts, an electrician will probably not put a 1.5mm wire and a 10 Ampere protection? because no one can take it from him. The wires should be worn a little exaggerated. For a fluorescent lamp that was outside the building 1x58 watt and powered from an emergency power supply from a switchgear with a cable length of 130 m, I had to install a 3x4mm cable so that there was no voltage drop
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  • #15 1724279
    Marksrz
    Level 23  
    somehow it is difficult to find a kettle in which the manufacturer uses a 2.5 mm cable, although it is shorter than the power supply from the switching station, but the greatest voltage drops. they are on the connectors and there are only problems, not on the wire, even if it was 100m
    where there will be a long-term load over 10A (but not a kettle that heats up for several minutes), 2.5 mm should be used
    of course, you can use 2.5 or even 4 mm and secure each socket everywhere just for what, home installation is not a spaceport
    this is my opinion, if I am wrong, please give some practical examples
  • #16 1724713
    piotrek98
    Level 12  
    Hello,
    When choosing the right cross-section of the conductor, one should take into account not only the load power (as mentioned in previous posts), but also, among others, cable length, cable routing, number of cores in the cable / cable, number of cables run together, type of cable insulation (due to thermal conditions), protection operating conditions, mechanical stresses to which cables may be exposed, etc. the installation not only supplied energy to the receivers, but above all, that it was SAFE for the user. The main issue is to ensure the correct operation of protection devices (most often overcurrent and residual current devices) and hence the requirement for a cross-section of at least 2.5mm2 Cu, so as to ensure a low value of the short-circuit loop impedance and the reliability of the circuit continuity (mechanical strength).
    This is what the regulations in force in Poland say (for several years now). Conclusion: for lighting 1.5mm2 Cu or more, for plug sockets 2.5mm2 or more.
    Arguments such as "I use 1.5mm2 cables because it is difficult to attach the socket in the wall with 2.5mm2 cables", or that "the kettle has a cable for a 3x1.5mm2 socket" are simply funny and testify to the ignorance of the writers, but I know that people approach differently to regulations, projects, etc. Most try to change something, save something, make work easier, etc., but later in the media we hear again that another apartment (sometimes even together with the residents) burned down due to "faulty electrical wiring ..."
    I do not comment on the solutions proposed and used by "electricity experts" because it is a waste of time.

    best regards
    Peter

    ps how much PLN can you save by using 1.5mm2 cables instead of 2.5mm2? is it really worth doing?
  • #17 1725223
    lopr_pol
    Level 32  
    Everything has to be done with the head. 2.5mm, yes, but where needed, washing machine, therma, kitchen, ovens, dishwashers, microwave, etc. In a room where unforeseen large TV consumption, 1.5mm playing equipment, but 2.5mm from the switchboard to these sockets. And foresee the costs of installing good equipment with bad screw clamps, because if it is 2.5mm in the socket, it will not help, it will burn at the joint.
  • #18 1726757
    lisos
    Level 22  
    the most common causes of fire or damage do not arise from the fact that the conductor cross-section is too small, but from overheating of poorly made, damp, old contacts, etc.

Topic summary

The discussion centers around the suitability of using a 1.5 mm² wire for connecting to a power outlet. Responses indicate that a 1.5 mm² wire can be used if the load does not exceed 10 Amps and the distance from the fuse to the socket is within 30 meters. However, many participants recommend using a 2.5 mm² wire for safety and to accommodate potential future loads. The conversation also touches on electrical standards, with some suggesting that 1.5 mm² is acceptable for lighting circuits, while 2.5 mm² is preferred for sockets, especially in kitchens and for high-power appliances. Concerns about overheating and poor connections are highlighted as common causes of electrical issues, emphasizing the importance of proper installation and load calculations.
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