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1.6 HDI Engine (9HR): No Start, No Oil Draw from Rail - Could It Be The High Pressure Pump?

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  • #1 15782458
    siwy24
    Level 10  
    Dear Ladies and Gentlemen :)

    I have a problem with the car. 1.6 hdi (9HR) engine refused to obey.
    The engine spins, however, does not start. It fires on the cake, but does not draw oil from the rail, as it is returned to the drain at some point.

    At the beginning, I changed the fuel filter to a new original one, I checked the hoses that are tight. The feeder in the tank is checked and also approx.

    Another idea was the sensor on the strip, but after the exchange (difficult access) Nothing has changed.
    I unscrewed the injection supply from the rail and it turns out that the pump does not supply oil to the common rail.
    Proven pressure regulator. Kitten bundles and electricity approx.

    The only thing that comes to my mind now is the high pressure pump ...

    Can someone confirm or to some extent resolve my doubts?


    I ordered Pompey, but if the fault may be something else, I prefer not to disassemble the timing gear.
    I will add that the continental pump number PSA 9672605380

    I would like to thank each individual for help / advice
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  • #2 15782463
    T5
    Admin of Cars group
    And what pressure does the engine controller see? Errors? Parameters? (synchro, immo status ....) The repair is going in the wrong direction for now - hit or miss.
  • #3 15782474
    siwy24
    Level 10  
    I'm abroad,
    AUto sciagnete by mechanics,
    They ordered a sensor from the rail, but it did not suit me that nothing was spilled ...
    France and the citroen specialists.

    -Sensors are synchronized,
    - permission to start approx.
    -Pressure 1 bar
    - the engine controller requires 290 bar.

    I will add that after sciagneicu the regulator when turning, pus is pouring from the hole for the regulator.
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  • #4 15783002
    marek1977
    Level 33  
    If you have 1 bar of pressure during start-up, something is wrong. Must be 250 (+/- 50)
  • #5 15783027
    darfur5
    Level 35  
    This means you have no pressure on the bar!
  • #6 15783041
    marek1977
    Level 33  
    Well, the only question is whether the pump, the regulator on the pump that was able to fall out, or the sensor on the strip, which is said to be replaced. As for the pump, I would put the regulator on the pump at the end and at the beginning.
  • #7 15783048
    darfur5
    Level 35  
    Or the pressure valve on the CR rail. Although I found that the pressure sensor and valve were two in one.
  • #8 15783155
    siwy24
    Level 10  
    A brand new pressure sensor from Citroen,

    The pump gives nothing and nothing to the rail,
    The regulator was replaced from another car.

    As for the ego valve on the rail ... if it would certainly be on it, and if so, in which place. However, I doubt it would be there.
  • #9 15783278
    szymon198312
    Level 30  
    The sensor is screwed into the strip. I do not know whether it is from the bottom or from the top, if I associate the engine correctly, you have a rail under the manifold and a sensor at the bottom of the rail behind the oil filter, but I could have mistaken it with the 2.0. If the sensor is damaged, the controller should allow the start anyway. If you don't have fuel at the pump exit, why keep rummaging around. Focus on it. The valve on the pump, if it was replaced and to no avail, look in the wiring or in the pump itself. Do you have an extra pump in the tank? Because if you have a set pressure of 290 on the parameters, it means that the controller wants to start the piss, but the valve gets too little pressure to go to the rail or the valve has no power.
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  • #10 15783513
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #11 15784553
    siwy24
    Level 10  
    Thanks to Kotbury2 for the development of the topic.

    So I don't have an electric pvc feeder in the tank. The pump itself sucks the fuel through the filter. So we exclude the failure of the pump in the tank.

    Secondly, all the currents were measured (unfortunately I did not measure what it looked like during the start-up. 5v goes to the sensor of the rail. All contacts are checked and go to the engine's computer.

    After turning the ignition, the Pressure regulator gets 7v (it should be lower) but this is due to the low pressure on the rail)

    Unscrewed rail-injection did not feed any fuel. The pressure was checked and it does not rise during start-up.

    I regret that I did not look at it when replacing the filter, but the mechanics threw it straight into the trash.

    The pump looks like this
    http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Hochdruckpumpe-Citroen...200506?hash=item4afaacad7a:g:dcMAAOSwoudW301u
    And it has only one electric connection (3 mark in the diagram)

    Unscrewing number 3 (the regulator of the oil flow slowly sucks, so I suspect this is correct

    number 4 in the schematic if any. It is without ankle.

    The car was going smart until the ignition was turned off, so it cannot be inferred from my point of view from the car's behavior.

    I am still wondering about the multi-wedge near the sprocket, maybe I know that there is a cone.

    It's hard to check anything with the mechanics, but I fight as much as I can.

    Pump from Pl bedize sent only tomorrow, so a few more days to get married.

    If someone has tried the pump from the link
    Or look at this ...
    http://www.ebay.fr/itm/2011-CITROEN-DS3-1-6-L...543233?hash=item5b1fae5741:g:YXsAAOSwGotWqOZh
    Is it possible to jump out of the ball? theoretically.
    I don't know if there was anything to be desired at the timing, but everything was possible.

    Tomorrow I will remove the timing cover and maybe it will suggest something.
    I also understand that this "black cap is this valve"?
    Now I have to fly, but it gives me a dream so I can come up with something together.

    Regards!
  • #12 15784704
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #13 15785169
    siwy24
    Level 10  
    Yes, the wire between the injector and the PWC has been unscrewed.
    When I checked earlier, for example, the pressure regulator, or the sensor on the rail when the car did not fire. excess fuel leaked and the engine fired.

    As for the leak on the low pressure side. THIS I put a transparent tube on the inlet to the filter and after sucking the fuel into the tube, it did not air up, suggesting that the filter supply system is tight. When I was suggesting that the fuel pump (combined with the filter) might be non-audible. I was laughed at :)

    The pump (at least in the old 1.6 hd can be installed by eye and you do not need to set it in accordance with the timing to pump fuel. The condition is to set the rollers to synchronize the firing).

    With indifferent hand, tomorrow I will pull off the timing housing and see if everything is in order with the pump. The timing is certainly ok.

    Just like I eliminated the injection fault.

    Tomorrow I'll do an update in the evening after the fight with the car.

    PS I will add that it could go to a much worse place :)

    Greetings
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  • #14 15785194
    hessel.
    Level 13  
    This pump can be ventilated, but there is no one to do it for you.
    siwy24 wrote:
    The pump itself sucks the fuel through the filter. So we exclude the failure of the pump in the tank.
    The low pressure pump itself sucks the fuel (as already) and it is not known what happens with this fuel.
    What was the point of burrowing in a high pressure system when it is not known if she has fuel in her.
    (expense valve and that stuff)

    It looks as if elementary hydraulics were something like a UFO for someone.

    ps.
    It can happen when the low pump does not give, i.e. a leaky restrictor does not offer any resistance, sawdust possible.
    There are two ways to check this.
  • #15 15792152
    siwy24
    Level 10  
    The car went to PL on a tow truck, Too high costs in France. And you can say that I got the opportunity.
    I will continue the topic when my car comes home. So I'm not closing it.

    For now, thank you for all your help. I hope you will follow the topic.

    Regards
  • #16 17824706
    orzech_swin
    Level 2  
    Dig out the cutlet, how did the fight end?
  • #17 17824799
    bobytempelton
    Level 17  
    These engines have a defect in the electrical installation, so the plug on the fuel pressure sensor does not connect, you can see it after removing the plug that there are traces of connectors on the sensor pins, wash, blow, bend and even replace the plug because it is even new, it goes quickly to diagnose the inputs the pressure of the fuel sensor that he sees and jumps goes crazy or 0 and suddenly 300 or jumps ... I see a bottle
  • #18 18266290
    trrol
    Level 12  
    Friend, what was that you did not have fuel on the rail because I have the same problem
  • #19 18316079
    piopaw79
    Level 10  
    Colleague Siwy24 will cope with the problem?
  • #20 20815096
    wojjtekk
    Level 9  
    Did the author of the topic solve the problem?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a 1.6 HDI (9HR) engine that fails to start, with the user noting that while the engine spins, it does not draw oil from the rail. Initial troubleshooting included replacing the fuel filter and checking hoses, but the high-pressure pump appears to be the main suspect. Users suggest that the engine controller is not detecting adequate pressure, with readings around 1 bar instead of the required 290 bar. Various components such as the pressure regulator, fuel pressure sensor, and wiring are discussed as potential issues. The user confirmed that the high-pressure pump is not supplying fuel to the common rail, leading to further investigation into the pump and its connections. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the fuel system's configuration, including whether it uses a low-pressure electric pump or relies solely on the high-pressure pump. The user plans to continue diagnostics upon returning to their home country.
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