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How to check if the pressure valve on the cr pump is working properly.

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  • #1 16182675
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    Hello, I need to know how to check it because the cr pump was supposed to fail (it did not feed fuel to the rail), replacing the valves did not give anything.
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  • #2 16182707
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    What car, what symptom of non-smoking?

    Check the contents of the tank and ON filter.
  • #3 16182737
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    astra 1.3 cdti 90km 2006, half a tank of fuel, new filter and the pump pressure was measured behind the filter. And as for the symptoms, it just does not burn after unscrewing the cable on the pump, the fuel does not flow to the rail.
  • #4 16182802
    pawelht
    Level 16  
    Is there voltage to this valve? Maybe the wires are damaged?
  • #5 16182813
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    There is voltage, but how this valve works and whether this voltage is correct, I do not know.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    I connected the pump without the corsa sensor for a test and the fuel normally comes out of the pump.

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    For this reason, I am also very interested in how this valve on the pump works because the mechanics want to replace everything for me.
  • #6 16183022
    tomasz0703
    Level 26  
    The valve is controlled by the fill pulse.
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  • #7 16183137
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    Dude, if you can write it a little clearer because I'm not an electronics guy

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    On the ignition with the plug removed from the valve, it is 11.70v, with 0.15v assumed, also 0.15v when trying to start.
  • #8 16183233
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    klusek1712 wrote:
    0.15v is assumed, also 0.15v when trying to start.
    That's ok, because it lowers blood pressure, not raises it.
  • #9 16183602
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    Crap, why does all the fuel go back? almost nothing to power the strip.

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    And yet the pump in the tank gives 3.8 bar, at least that's what should fly to the rail.
  • #10 16183700
    Daro122
    Level 31  
    Having a computer in the executive components, you can control the valve or even a connected light bulb in place of the valve. The pumps with which I had dealings produced pressure when the valve was closed. Without the engine running, the valve is open so that the working primary pump can fill the system up to the injector. Several times I started such pumps even on a makeshift assembled table, no philosophy.
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  • #11 16183797
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    And do you know why I have two pumps with sensors that do not supply fuel to the rail and one without a sensor gives, sorry if I'm a bit confused but I just don't understand why not for pressure if the valve is open.
  • #12 16183810
    Daro122
    Level 31  
    There are some errors, because if the controller does not control the valve, no pump will work, there will be only the pressure of the initial pump, unless this pressure does not reach along the way. I had a case of contamination of the pump, which I did not find even after disassembling the pump, only giving fuel at a much higher pressure helped.
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  • #13 16183838
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    I just did a mouth-to-mouth test, connected the spare valve to the ankle and started blowing into the valve on the ignition, but it will not close even for a moment, when I give it to the battery for a short time, it closes.

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    Lambda probe error because it does not work and probably the coolant temperature sensor (because there is no liquid in the system). All the fuel goes back, if I clamp some wire on the tee, it only then puts fuel at the injection.
  • #14 16184030
    Daro122
    Level 31  
    With this battery, be careful because the valve should not be powered like this, by a 45W bulb and for a while, it's best to control the computer, the most suspicious control valve in the CR pump.
  • #15 16184053
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    I have already adopted three valves for this pump and the effect is the same. Could it be the driver's fault? if so, can the car electronics check it somehow.
  • #16 16184064
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    klusek1712 wrote:
    if so, can the car electronics check it somehow.
    Why is the car not in the workshop yet?
  • #17 16184102
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    You know, I already had some cars and for them, I don't know where they get these prices from. Today I found out from a friend that he had an Astra like mine and sold it because his engine died, and one wanted 10,000 for the job, and the other 15,000 for the job.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    And the electronics has already been to me 3 times and the diagnosis came out too low pressure.
  • #18 16184133
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Firstly, you need to know the pressure on the ramp, secondly, fuel should flow from the unscrewed pressure control valve after unscrewing it and while cranking the engine.

    If not, the air system or the feed pump does not feed.
  • #19 16184172
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    The computer showed about 5 bar, after unscrewing the valve, the fuel flows more when turning the engine, the wires on the injectors are loose, the pump from the tank gives 3.8 bar to the pump.
  • #20 16184178
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Aren't your injectors leaking into the overflow?
  • #21 16184191
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    Injectors checked on the table and are ok.

    Added after 7 [minutes]:

    If that's what you mean.
  • #22 16187207
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    Maybe someone else can help.
  • #23 16187360
    _Megamax_
    Level 18  
    tomasz0703 wrote:
    The valve is controlled by the fill pulse.

    Sometimes it is not controlled by the pulse duty factor?



    Maybe the car has some non-series protection?
  • #24 16188119
    klusek1712
    Level 10  
    It's more controlled that way, but that doesn't tell me anything. I think if it was somehow secured, the computer would show something there.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around diagnosing issues with the pressure valve on a common rail (CR) pump, specifically for a 2006 Astra 1.3 CDTI. The user reports that the pump is not supplying fuel to the rail despite having replaced the valves and confirmed voltage to the valve. Various suggestions are made, including checking the voltage levels, ensuring the valve is functioning correctly, and verifying the pressure from the fuel pump. The importance of the valve's control mechanism and potential contamination issues are also highlighted. The user expresses confusion over multiple pumps failing to deliver fuel and seeks clarity on the valve's operation and the role of the car's electronics in diagnosing the problem.
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