Hello, I am a lucky buyer of 3-phase 3-phase motor. I also have a star triangle switch. Now I have a problem how to put it all together. Unfortunately, I can not find the diagrams for this engine or the circuit breaker. It looks like someone has already bridged the star on the engine. Is there...

This motor is not suitable for operation with the Y / ? switch. As you have noticed, the order of switching on is Y and ?, and on the motor plate you have the opposite, i.e. ? / Y. Do you have such a poor installation that you can start the 3KW engine with start up?

The installation should be easy to manage, but I have a switch like that. Is it possible to connect it so that it works without a boot? Added after 2 [minutes]: If I can ask for an explanation of what does ? / Y mean on the plate? (Of course, in this case - 220/380) Thanks

Buddy, this engine can not work in delta connection because you get it. In connecting to a triangle, the network layout would have to be 3 X 220V and you probably do not have one.

There is a good chance that it will. But you would need to test this switch a bit - the description and appearance does not say anything.

Ok, tomorrow I'll stick with the meter and see what it's there Thanks again!

The switching order is determined by the star / delta switch and not the motor nameplate. I have never seen the triangle / star switch. This engine can not work in our Polish network connected in a triangle. It can work only on a star. The switch probably can be connected so that it serves as an on / off switch. Just an ohmmeter or a battery with a bulb, and an analysis of which contacts are closed.

I have a meter with a pipe and I just measured the switch. On Y 1 contains 2 4 -> 8.12 9 -> 10 Na ? 1-> 2.4 5-> 8 9-> 10.12 I do not know where to connect L1, L2 and L3 now and where the engine ...

Good night. Only ? (star ) Do you live in the US? As colleagues wrote, there is no possibility of this type of start-up (? / ?) in the classic European network (except perhaps Norway) Answering and right.

It's best if you take down all the bridges and measure again. Put a photo of the switch's top, please, because I'm still not telling me anything. If you want to use this switch only as 0-1 then I suggest: L1 to 1, L2 to 4, L3 to 9; and the motor: U1 to 2, V1 to 8, W1 to 10. It is necessary to block the possibility of switching to the third position because it will be short-circuited.

3kW 3-Phase Motor Connection: Star-Delta Switch, Wiring Diagram, 220/380 Voltage, 4HP

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#1 16207932 17 Jan 2017 22:39

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Hello,
I am a lucky buyer of 3-phase 3-phase motor.
I also have a star triangle switch.

Now I have a problem how to put it all together. Unfortunately, I can not find the diagrams for this engine or the circuit breaker. It looks like someone has already bridged the star on the engine. Is there any less power then?

Paramters 3kW, 4HP 220/380, Y / ?

I am enclosing one by one.
Engine nameplate 20170117_1..627.jpg Download (3.58 MB)
Connector on the engine - looks like bridging under the star 20170117_1..728.jpg Download (7.24 MB)

Switch with 4 pages
1. 20170117_1..117.jpg Download (1.47 MB)
2. 20170117_1..127.jpg Download (1.66 MB)
3. 20170117_2..333.jpg Download (1.1 MB)
4. 20170117_2..344.jpg Download (1.06 MB)
5. 20170119_0..140.jpg Download (1.25 MB)
and a plate 20170117_2..448.jpg Download (453.66 kB)
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#2 16207938 17 Jan 2017 22:51

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16207938 17 Jan 2017 22:51

This motor is not suitable for operation with the Y / ? switch.
As you have noticed, the order of switching on is Y and ?, and on the motor plate you have the opposite, i.e. ? / Y.
Do you have such a poor installation that you can start the 3KW engine with start up?
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#3 16207949 17 Jan 2017 22:59

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16207949 17 Jan 2017 22:59

Andrzej42 wrote:
Do you have such a poor installation that you can start the 3KW engine with start up?

The installation should be easy to manage, but I have a switch like that. Is it possible to connect it so that it works without a boot?

Added after 2 [minutes]:

Andrzej42 wrote:
(...) Y and ? are on, and you have the opposite on the motor plate, ie ? / Y.

If I can ask for an explanation of what does ? / Y mean on the plate? (Of course, in this case - 220/380)

Thanks
#4 16207962 17 Jan 2017 23:02

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16207962 17 Jan 2017 23:02

Buddy, this engine can not work in delta connection because you get it.
In connecting to a triangle, the network layout would have to be 3 X 220V and you probably do not have one.
#5 16207963 17 Jan 2017 23:03

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16207963 17 Jan 2017 23:03

There is a good chance that it will. But you would need to test this switch a bit - the description and appearance does not say anything.
#6 16207965 17 Jan 2017 23:03

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16207965 17 Jan 2017 23:03

szympans123 wrote:

Andrzej42 wrote:
Do you have such a poor installation that you can start the 3KW engine with start up?

The installation should be easy to manage, but I have a switch like that. Is it possible to connect it so that it works without a boot?

Added after 2 [minutes]:

Andrzej42 wrote:
(...) Y and ? are on, and you have the opposite on the motor plate, ie ? / Y.

If I can ask for an explanation of what does ? / Y mean on the plate? (Of course, in this case - 220/380)

Thanks

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#7 16207968 17 Jan 2017 23:04

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16207968 17 Jan 2017 23:04

Andrzej42 wrote:
There is a good chance that it will. But you would need to test this switch a bit - the description and appearance does not say anything.

Ok, tomorrow I'll stick with the meter and see what it's there

Thanks again!
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Andrzej42 wrote:
As you have noticed, the order of switching on is Y and ?, and on the motor plate you have the opposite, i.e. ? / Y
The switching order is determined by the star / delta switch and not the motor nameplate. I have never seen the triangle / star switch. This engine can not work in our Polish network connected in a triangle. It can work only on a star. The switch probably can be connected so that it serves as an on / off switch. Just an ohmmeter or a battery with a bulb, and an analysis of which contacts are closed.
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#9 16208129 18 Jan 2017 00:32

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Kurtka na wacia wrote:
Just an ohmmeter or a battery with a bulb, and an analysis of which contacts are closed.

I have a meter with a pipe and I just measured the switch.
On Y
1 contains 2
4 -> 8.12
9 -> 10
Na ?
1-> 2.4
5-> 8
9-> 10.12
I do not know where to connect L1, L2 and L3 now and where the engine ...
#10 16208162 18 Jan 2017 01:11

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16208162 18 Jan 2017 01:11

szympans123 wrote:
Paramters 3kW, 4HP 220/380, Y / ?

I am enclosing one by one.

Good night. Only ? (star ) Do you live in the US? As colleagues wrote, there is no possibility of this type of start-up (? / ?) in the classic European network (except perhaps Norway)

Kurtka na wacia wrote:
The switching order is determined by the star / delta switch and not the motor nameplate. I have never seen the triangle / star switch. This engine can not work in our Polish network connected in a triangle. It can work only on a star. The switch probably can be connected so that it serves as an on / off switch. Just an ohmmeter or a battery with a bulb, and an analysis of which contacts are closed.
Answering and right.
#11 16210343 18 Jan 2017 21:19

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16210343 18 Jan 2017 21:19

It's best if you take down all the bridges and measure again.
Put a photo of the switch's top, please, because I'm still not telling me anything.
If you want to use this switch only as 0-1 then I suggest: L1 to 1, L2 to 4, L3 to 9; and the motor: U1 to 2, V1 to 8, W1 to 10. It is necessary to block the possibility of switching to the third position because it will be short-circuited.
#12 16213703 20 Jan 2017 10:48

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Andrzej42 wrote:
Put a photo of the switch's top, please

Added - number 5 in the original post.

Andrzej42 wrote:
It is necessary to block the possibility of switching to the third position because it will be a short circuit.

This is probably the biggest problem I see.
I found it separately in the barn and there's a 0-1 switch on it, so I'll start with it.
If everything works well, maybe it will invest in something like:
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#13 16216336 21 Jan 2017 12:48

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szympans123 wrote:
Hello,
I am a lucky buyer of 3-phase 3-phase motor.
I also have a star triangle switch.

Just as the Colleagues wrote. This is not a switch to such an engine and you should not make any combinations, but buy a normal 0-I motor switch
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The discussion revolves around the connection of a 3kW, 4HP, 3-phase motor using a star-delta switch. The user is seeking guidance on wiring the motor correctly, as the motor's nameplate indicates a different switching order than the switch they possess. Responses indicate that the motor cannot operate in a delta configuration due to the voltage supply limitations (220/380V) and that it should only be connected in a star configuration. Suggestions include measuring the switch contacts and using it solely as an on/off switch, with specific wiring recommendations provided. The consensus is that the current switch is unsuitable for the motor, and a standard 0-I motor switch is recommended for proper operation.
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