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Audi A4 B6 2.0 FSI 2003: Cold Engine Performance Issues - High RPM and Power Loss

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  • #1 16243729
    -Sullivan-
    Level 12  
    Hello everyone. About a month ago I bought a car with an engine as in the subject and I can not deal with the problem that has arisen from the very beginning. When the car stops the night and I start it in the morning (cold engine), it immediately after starting starts to go out sometimes, but when it starts and from suction it turns to normal rotation, they jump so hard that the telepieces with the whole car (from about 680 to 860 revs) / min). This happens mainly at idle and partly when driving on a cold engine. Sometimes, just after firing, it happens that when it tries to enter the suction it keeps about 680 rpm and the Check Engine burns. Only when I add some gas and let go is the lamp goes out and the suction is constant 1100 rpm. The car on a cold engine during acceleration has a slight decrease in power, but when it warms up in my opinion it accelerates very well and the symptoms of jumping idle are practically imperceptible.

    The car has a mileage of 154 thousand km. After purchasing, I replaced the entire timing, coils, candles, filters, oils and removed a minor leak on the radiator hoses. Despite these efforts, the problem persisted. I decided to find someone who has VCDS and after connecting I got an error with the following content that appeared in the engine electronics:

    "Intake manifold flap - Air flow control - None / Incorrect basic adjustment"

    The mechanic said it was enough to clean the collector. I did so too but unfortunately the problem remained. So he told me to buy a spare collector for replacement so that he could check if it was the collector's fault, but I thanked him for such diagnostics. So I went to another diagnostician who had the original VCDS. The error showed the same but this one told me that the flaps can be set from the computer. When he tried to do it he said that the flaps open and close completely but they cannot be adapted due to an error. So he started checking the car further and worried about the very large discrepancy in ignition parameters. I will not say now how professionally this parameter was called, but it ranged from -2.5 to 17.1. He then tried to connect to the car's computer to do the throttle adaptation (which, by the way, was cleaned when replacing the timing gear and everything else), but his equipment could not communicate with the car. The diagnostician stated that the fan speed control may depend on the lack of basic throttle and manifold flap settings, and the lack of communication with the computer may be probably due to a damaged camshaft sensor. He tried to explain to me that such a malfunction is a mechanical malfunction, which no computer will show, and which may be the reason for the inability to set the throttle and the manifold flaps and the wrong ignition operation.
    I do not know cars, so I ask you for your opinion on this topic, because I would not want to charge money for replacing the working part with the working one. Perhaps the diagnostician is not mistaken but I would like to know your opinion and opinions on this subject. Thank you in advance for any help.
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    #2 16243930
    szymitsu21
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    check or have the intake system leak checked.
  • #3 16247575
    -Sullivan-
    Level 12  
    The diagnostician took the car for a more thorough examination and came out of the computer that a leak in the intake system was detected. I have already agreed to demolish the intake manifold to check where the car gets left air. I'll let you know if this has been fixed. Deadline for next Wednesday.
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  • #4 16298321
    -Sullivan-
    Level 12  
    Hello after a long break. The leak has been repaired. It turned out that the vacuum pear at the suction manifold was damaged. It was replaced with the hoses and the problem of the discrepancy in ignition and the adaptation of the flaps was solved. Unfortunately, the main problem of irregular engine revolutions remained :( The computer no longer shows any errors. Do you have any ideas what could be the reason?
  • #5 16306553
    Stanisław Chwalisz
    Level 34  
    You have to visit a real diagnostician. Connecting the tester is a few% test of engine efficiency.
  • #6 16311200
    -Sullivan-
    Level 12  
    Checked. There are no errors coming out of the computer in the engine anymore ... I noticed one more thing. When I start the car on a cold engine and add gas slightly to increase the revolutions to 1500 rpm / min (regardless of whether it is on the suction), when I hold the accelerator pedal in one position, the tachometer once sets to 1500 rpm, and in a moment it can fall slightly below 1000 and in a moment again to say 1200. Symptoms relieve after a slight warming up of the engine, but irregular work is still noticeable ... The mechanic spread his hands and could not say what could be the reason not to expose me to unnecessary costs.
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  • #7 16311280
    Stanisław Chwalisz
    Level 34  
    I suggest replacing the timing belt.
  • #8 16312501
    -Sullivan-
    Level 12  
    The timing was changed after buying a car. Before the replacement, the symptoms were identical, so I don't think it was timing fault.
  • #9 17237446
    stefcio
    Level 21  
    -Sullivan- wrote:
    The timing was changed after buying a car. Before the replacement, the symptoms were identical, so I don't think it was timing fault.


    Hi.
    Dude, did you deal with this problem?
    Because it started with me. As if he didn't smoke for one cylinder. There are no errors.
    Regards
    Stefcio
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  • #10 17805765
    mrn92
    Level 2  
    Hello gentlemen,
    I have similar problems to yours, with Audi A4, 2.0 FSI, engine code AWA. As a layman, I can only organoleptically assess that the car gently teles at idle (single swinging, uneven operation) and lack of power in the higher parts of rotation, however, both these symptoms occur quite randomly, e.g. after firing the car can work properly, and when reaching the lights and deceleration appears telepanie, similar to acceleration, once there is power and once there is no.
    In the car, the coils, candles were replaced, the intake was sealed, the flap control pear was replaced and the injectors were regenerated, so it seems that everything should be OK from the mechanical side, and the problem may be related to an incorrect signal from one of the sensors or the computer itself.
    From the analysis on VCDS, carried out by the workshop, it turned out that in my case the pressure in the intake manifold is too low, which probably leads to the ignition falling out and telepania the engine at idle. However, the log from my engine was compared to only one reference log, whose range started from 1600 rpm, and what is worse, the mechanic is not sure of the source of this log (does it come from a working unit?).
    Here I am asking you, could you provide me the results from VCDS from the analysis of your 2.0 FSI units? I need to provide as many references as possible to my mechanic so I will be grateful for any help.
    Regards,
    MRN
  • #12 17818611
    mrn92
    Level 2  
    Thanks Albertomek for the answer. On one hand, the box venting system has already been checked and cleaned, but maybe some element has been overlooked - please verify again.
    If someone from the forum could have a look at the logs from my case, I invite you to the address http://vaglogi.pl/log-002_010_011_TrFhM6.html I will also be grateful for a hint, whether the parameters of his car are similar?
    Regards,
    MRN
  • #13 17935115
    artursko
    Level 10  
    Check the compression, a drawback of these engines, wiping the valve guides from the fluid that accumulates in the head on the intake side.
    In most workshops with uneven FSI engine operation, misfire, leaky intake system - they replace candles, coils, collector seals and then the same. Measure compression - repair the head, think about regenerating the variator and new rings, plugging the EGR and programming it. And enjoy the ride - in addition, prophylactically every oil change cleaning the intake.
  • #15 21008205
    stanislawchwalisz22
    Level 8  
    Renovation required.
  • #16 21399278
    PIMP_MY_RIDE-P1
    Level 11  
    Fellow Sullivan and fellow mrn92, I see that real professionals are in short supply and the rest are throwing diagnoses out of a hat , "engine overhaul" "wiping the guides" , "timing gear", and the exchangers know, coil, plugs, cables, battery, alternator....

    In case someone has such a problem I am happy to help, please feel free to :) FSI with the problem of uneven operation at idle as if it does not work on 2 cylinders come to me a few units in a month and everyone leaves the next day a working car, shocked that it cost so cheap in comparison to what other "professionals" predicted.

    In order to exhaust and close the topic, I will also say what is the cause of the fault (additional air mass in the intake, and poorly controlled camshaft phasing - wash the engine thoroughly, remove these two problems and the FSI works like new.
    FSI car engine in the engine bay of a Volkswagen vehicle. from the showroom :)

    Greetings from sunny Boruja Kościelna

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around performance issues with a 2003 Audi A4 B6 2.0 FSI, particularly concerning cold engine operation. The user reports irregular idle speeds, power loss during acceleration, and a Check Engine light activation. Initial diagnostics indicated a leak in the intake system, which was subsequently repaired, but the idle irregularities persisted. Various suggestions were made, including checking the timing belt, compression, and crankcase ventilation system. Other users shared similar experiences, highlighting potential issues with valve guides, misfires, and the need for further diagnostics to identify sensor or computer signal problems. Recommendations included checking compression, sealing connections, and considering engine head repairs.
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