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Mastering Electrical Diagrams & AKPiA: Best Resources for Skill Development & Industry Insights

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  • #1 16388835
    Dzonzi
    Level 12  
    Hello
    One of the points in the practice requirements is this skill. Where is the best way to learn such things? There are scarcely such schemes on the net, probably because it is mostly an industrial secret or something like that. What do you recommend?
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  • #2 16389168
    Ryszard49
    Level 38  
    First you need to know the graphic symbols of electrical devices. Then learn the basic configurations in which they occur. Having already mastered it, you need to familiarize yourself with the electrical documentation of the machine and learn the principle of its operation. In modern machines, the error codes and tips on which panels should be searched for are displayed on the screen of the control panel. If it is a damage to the contactor or relay, we can deal with the repair ourselves, if a driver is damaged, unfortunately we notify the factory service.
  • #3 16389202
    KMal
    Level 34  
    Hello.
    From how you ask the question (unfortunately) it is clear that you do not "feel the topic".
    To start "reading" diagrams, you need to know the symbols that are on the schematic - electronic, electrical and automation (hydraulic), because you ask about ACP (measuring orifices, flow meters, recorders, etc., and even manometers.
    You write that few such schemes - schemes are "the whole world is abandoned", but it is not the scheme that teaches him to read.
    The description (name) of the symbol that appears in the diagram can be found in books, here on Elektrodzie, on Wikipedia, etc. Once you know the symbols (you will learn to recognize them by naming them, you can tell what you see in the diagram -np. from AKP), the wires (tubes) from the measuring orifice run to the flow meter and the electrical signal to the recorder.
    Reading the scheme, and understanding it is a completely different topic (almost).
    You write about (some) industrial secrets, and reading the scheme - if you have a schematic you read it, if you did not give it, then the ability to read and understand will not help you.
    In conclusion - you need to learn the symbols (names), follow the connection between them (understand). With many schemes as well as DTR are descriptions of device operation, which allows you to understand what you see in the diagram.
    "You will be comforted" - in this topic you have to learn to "the end of life", if only because new elements are constantly being created and what new symbols are going on for.
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  • #4 16389216
    Dzonzi
    Level 12  
    I found something like this https://www.ige-xao.pl/cad-elektryczny/symbole-elektryczne.htm
    Is this enough for a start?
    My brother has been working in electricity for a year and says he doesn't know everything yet.

    By industrial secrets, I meant more that design companies are reluctant to upload their patterns onto the public internet so that I can learn from them.

    I found something like this: http://iautomatyka.pl/jak-czytac-schematy-elektryczne-5-uklady-sterowania-cz-12/
    I like it very much, because everything is described nicely, but there is little of it.

    And what can you advise me on the requirement:
    "knowledge of control and automation issues"
  • #5 16405933
    Hajna
    Level 24  
    AKP is a school in which you need a lot of practice and someone has to help you how to read the diagram, all diagrams are drawn when the device is turned off. and the elements of the scheme have a different position in the state of on and off. The technique has such progress that I have a problem with reading the scheme for 35 years of practice, the more so that the schemes are drawn with different techniques - one page and multi-page.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    I will add that an electrician or automation must learn all his life.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3324611.html#16382630
    An electrician perceives an electrician like that.
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  • #6 16406043
    Dzonzi
    Level 12  
    It seems to me that the electrician is better than the electronics, because the first more things will do it alone, need more, and therefore easier to find a job.
  • #7 16406163
    Hajna
    Level 24  
    Dzonzi wrote:
    It seems to me that the electrician is better than the electronics, because the first more things will do it alone, need more, and therefore easier to find a job.


    You think, today is the progress in electricity and electronics, that you have to learn all the time as in other competitions, and be up to date on the topics.
  • #8 16406191
    mychaj
    Level 35  
    From my professional practice (20 years): The basis for "reading" the electrical diagram is at least the minimum knowledge of the machine / device to which it is attached.
    If you have the same scheme - well, it's just a schematic. I started in part in a company that refurbished food machines imported from the west, sometimes there was a pattern, sometimes no, sometimes you had to draw it yourself. Practice, practice and once again practice ... unfortunately. The basics are familiarity with the symbols, all the rest will come with time - I have recently got a schematic of the machine on the margins recently: a complete 90 pages in A3 :-)
  • #9 16407226
    Dzonzi
    Level 12  
    mychaj wrote:
    Machine diagram: complete has 90 pages in A3


    Why so much? Is this an electrical or mechanical scheme only?

    Hajna wrote:
    Dzonzi wrote:
    It seems to me that the electrician is better than the electronics, because the first more things will do it alone, need more, and therefore easier to find a job.


    You think, today is the progress in electricity and electronics, that you have to learn all the time as in other competitions, and be up to date on the topics.


    After all, electronics are a much smaller field from electrics.
  • #10 16407395
    mychaj
    Level 35  
    Scheme of ideological and assembly only electricians / automation.
    I do not know if the rest will agree with me but: you can learn the electrical professions (it's a bit easier at the beginning),
    What electrician are you interested in? machines or installations? mechatronics is fashionable lately.
    Today, an automation / electrician without any knowledge of the basics of electronics does not exist either, diagnostics is the basis of existence.
    The electronics engineer must be a bit passionate about this field, it requires a lot more "own" work and not only practice but also theory.
    In general, to be "good" in some industry, you will have to sacrifice it at least in 90%.
    Maybe it's different - how do you work where you live? What are your prospects for the future?
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  • #11 16407428
    Dzonzi
    Level 12  
    I'm from Wroclaw. There are many electric and automatic companies here, but for starters, if I do an engineer, I want to go to Germany, and there I would do electrical installations in buildings, highways or some halls. I would prefer to try everything, for example plc programming in plants, programming industrial robots (fanuc), maybe something with electric drives .... that's so much
  • #12 16437774
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Dzonzi wrote:

    My brother has been working for a year in electrical engineering and says he does not know everything yet.

    I laughed to tears. A joke of the year! Calm your brother and tell him that I have been teaching "electrics" for 5 years in a technical school, 5 years in college, besides I have been working for thirty years and I still do not know everything! So brother has everything in front of him.

Topic summary

The discussion centers on mastering electrical diagrams and the AKPiA (Automation and Control Engineering) field. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding graphic symbols of electrical devices and basic configurations. Familiarity with electrical documentation and the principles of operation is crucial. Resources for learning include online platforms and educational websites, though many industry-specific diagrams remain proprietary. Continuous learning and practical experience are highlighted as essential for success in the field. The conversation also touches on the differences between electrical and electronic professions, with a focus on the necessity of diagnostics and programming skills in modern automation roles.
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