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Powering Two IP Cameras with One Twisted Pair POE Cable: Is it Feasible?

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  • #1 16568337
    snip7
    Level 10  
    Hello
    Is it possible to power 2 cameras on 1 twisted pair (4 pairs of cables) 2 IP cameras powered by POE
    Well, I only have 1 cable (twisted pair 8x0.5) powered by POE and I would like to connect 2 IP cameras. 1 of them is POE - is it possible? I can't give another POE switch because it would have to be outside and the temperature of the switch is from 0 to +40 and as we know it is sometimes freezing cold. I don't have a second cable to let go because the apartment is finished and I don't want to break the walls. What is the split of wires from the POE switch socket? which are supply and which are transmission? - maybe it would be possible to split 1 twisted pair and connect only 1 video transmission to 1 camera and video transmission and POE supply to the other?
    Does anyone know about this?

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  • #2 16568554
    PRO-TECH Emil Miron
    Level 14  
    SWITCH TP-LINK TL-SF1008P mounted in cans outside. They have been operating for a couple of years and nothing happens.

    Probably the only solution. Sometimes there is no other choice.
  • #3 16568587
    sciacho
    Level 18  
    Of course, you can power 2 cameras (2 lenses in 1 housing is defakto 2 cameras) condition is the appropriate camera np Mobotix M12,15,16 and if you want to look in different directions then you have to give a series D camera.
  • #5 16568746
    sciacho
    Level 18  
    certainly not, I do not want the switch
  • #6 16568773
    MariuszX49
    Level 21  
    The author is afraid that the winter will not survive after all, this Camsat is to work outside, probably even in Poland, designers designed Polish winter saw ...
  • #9 16569074
    luk9753
    Level 24  
    Your friend, "bcs xpoe4 / ext", will solve your problem.
  • #10 16569220
    michualex

    Level 24  
    luk9753 wrote:
    Your friend, "bcs xpoe4 / ext", will solve your problem.


    Remember only that you do not override the power consumption :D . In general, most of the cameras in Poland download about 6W.
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  • #11 16569290
    niepotrafie
    Level 16  
    The author does not want a switch and does not have to use it .. I repeat, probably enough to earn 2 r. 45
    RJ45 No. 1
    1 b.orange
    2 orange
    3 b. Green
    6 green
    RJ45 No. 2
    1b.niebieski
    2 blue
    3 b. Brown
    6 brown
    On the 2 sides, exactly the same.
  • #12 16570792
    ryba884
    Level 19  
    Okay, but what will you do if the cameras only support PoE on non-data wires? (data goes to 1236, and power to 4578 - most cameras have it). The extractor's working temperature I proposed was -30 to 65, so the cold as well as a decent sun will survive (you only have to close it in some hermetic can).
  • #13 16912020
    simsone
    Level 11  
    For sure, dahua will work four times. The connection is made as if by a half-duplex, following a friend of NIEPOTRAFIE
    A camera that does not work in this way is eg: AVIGILON.
  • #14 16914263
    joy
    Level 21  
    If the camera and switch are compliant with the 802.3af standard, you can easily connect 2 cameras on one twisted pair, 2 pairs per camera are enough, just make RJ. I was forced to do this several times and everything works.
  • #15 18093007
    monsarrat
    Level 1  
    The Chinese have invented something like this - 2 RJ45 Splitter commbiner 2Poe
    Powering Two IP Cameras with One Twisted Pair POE Cable: Is it Feasible?
  • #17 18093829
    suworow
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    monsarrat wrote:
    The Chinese have invented something like this - 2 RJ45 Splitter commbiner 2Poe

    The Chinese invented this first and foremost how to make a wall out of a client. Your colleague may as well tighten two RJs on both sides of the cable. One e.g. on orange and green steam, and the other e.g. on blue and brown
    There is one condition. The switch must supply power to the signal pairs. And this is not always the case :)
  • #18 18290105
    arkadiuszj1987
    Level 6  
    I would like to hook up on the topic.
    I connected 2 ip dahua cameras on one UTP cable from the @potpot entry using pin 1236 and there is a very strange situation.
    Cameras work, however, only when it connects one of them to the PoE switch, when it connects both works the way it was connected first.
    What could be the reason?
  • #19 18290290
    suworow
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    I understand that each on different pairs?
    Is this also the case on the short cable?
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  • #20 18290369
    arkadiuszj1987
    Level 6  
    suworow wrote:
    I understand that each on different pairs?
    Is this also the case on the short cable?


    There are two RJ45 terminals on both sides and each one uses 1236 pins connected to two PoE ports in the switch
    I did not check briefly, I will check and let you know if this is the case.
    Only a small problem appeared, I did the rest of the recorder and now I get information about the wrong login or password of the camera - the one I remembered does not work.
  • #22 18290839
    arkadiuszj1987
    Level 6  
    sosarek wrote:
    Reset the camera to factory defaults, instead of carving the ATTE switch (not much bigger than a matchbox).


    Thank you for the hint in the ATTE case, I'm just wondering what could be the reason that each works separately and connected together they don't want to, only one of them works and if the ATTE switch works correctly.
  • #24 18290894
    arkadiuszj1987
    Level 6  
    sosarek wrote:
    How you mount the switch will work, here the problem probably lies on the data lines.


    You could explain what is caused, bad pin connections, cable noise or something else is very interesting.
    Thank you in advance for your help and response in this topic :D
  • #25 18290908
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    Most likely, the receiver itself has a problem with distinguishing two signals released in parallel, as in the case of e.g. USB - make a cable by connecting the pins in the plug in parallel - one or the other device will work only - that's why we use switches.
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #26 18306854
    mirekq
    Level 17  
    arkadiuszj1987 wrote:
    sosarek wrote:
    Reset the camera to factory defaults, instead of carving the ATTE switch (not much bigger than a matchbox).


    Thank you for the hint in the ATTE case, I'm just wondering what could be the reason that each works separately and connected together they don't want to, only one of them works and if the ATTE switch works correctly.



    Hi, can you provide the model of this ATTE switch you are writing about?
    I use https://atte.pl/xPoE-4-11-HS, but it is not "slightly larger than a matchbox" and has 4 ports.
  • #28 18309007
    mirekq
    Level 17  
    Petard!!! solves a few problems for me. Thanks, I haven't had time to get acquainted with the news recently ... :(

    I understand well ATTE xPoE-3-10 can only be powered from passive PoE (i.e. brownish white and brown are a minus and white, blue and blue are plus 48VDC ), ATTE xPoE-3-11 from each switch, how much power will be spent on the port in the switch?

    What do you use to power the xPoE-3-10? As a standard, I use it for buffer systems https://atte.pl/IPUPS-8-20-R5U0 because I do most of it in a rack and with battery backup.
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  • #29 18309012
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    mirekq wrote:
    Petard!!! solves some problems for me. Thanks, I haven't had time to read the latest news ... :(

    There is some time on the market ;)
    To be honest I power them with a POE switch which I have on objects and I did not wonder if passive or active PoE I fasten it, it works and that's it :)
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #30 18309022
    mirekq
    Level 17  
    From what I read, ATTE xPoE-3-10 will not start with 802.3af / at and you have to use ATTE xPoE-3-11 because it has an identification system.
    Maybe you just had 3-11? Check by the way and let me know I will be grateful.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of powering two IP cameras using a single twisted pair cable with Power over Ethernet (PoE). Users explore various solutions, including the use of splitters and specific PoE switches like the ATTE xPoE-3-10 and xPoE-3-11. It is noted that while some cameras can operate on shared pairs, many require all four pairs for power and data transmission. Concerns about temperature resilience for outdoor switches and the limitations of built-in PoE recorders are also highlighted. Users share experiences with different brands and models, emphasizing the importance of compatibility with the 802.3af standard for successful operation.
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