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230V AC Coil Contactor: Understanding Electromagnet Functionality & Alternating Magnetic Field

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  • #1 16670794
    lolakr
    Level 9  
    Hello.
    For some time now I have been wondering how a contactor with a 230V AC coil works. After all, alternating current creates an alternating magnetic field, which would either attract or repel the contacts - such behavior is not suitable for closing the circuit. Another problem is when crossing zero the field disappears and nothing is holding the contacts. You could straighten the current, add a resistor or some other components, but I don't think that's what this is about. On the Internet I found a few answers about how such a contactor works, but I have not fully understood how a compact coil works. Is it a normal ring as shown?
    230V AC Coil Contactor: Understanding Electromagnet Functionality & Alternating Magnetic Field
    Besides, it does not explain the solution to the variable field problem - attraction and repulsion.
    I am asking for help in explaining the operation of such an electromagnet.
    I have a second question (partly related due to alternating current), namely how does an alternating current welder work if the arc disappears when crossing zero?
    Please help and thank you in advance for your answer :)
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    #2 16670835
    Anonymous
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    #3 16670921
    jdubowski
    Tube devices specialist
    lolakr wrote:
    On the Internet I found a few answers about how such a contactor works, but I have not fully understood how a compact coil works. Is it a normal ring as shown?


    The picture is for a different topic - it is taken from here http://www.ncsm.city.nagoya.jp/cgi-bin/en/exhibition_guide/exhibit.cgi?id=S413 and describes Thomson's experience with the jumping ring.

    The AC contactor is made so that the core is divided into two parts, and a compact coil is placed on one. In this coil, a current is induced out of phase with the current in the coil, and when the current in the coil decays, the current in the shorted coil continues to flow, producing a magnetic flux holding the anchor.
  • #4 16671462
    lolakr
    Level 9  
    Kraniec_Internetów wrote:
    Make yourself an experiment - take a metal screw, wind some coils on it with an enameled cord. Maybe some in thin isolation. Connect it to the 9V battery back and forth. In any of these cases, does this electromagnet repel other elements?

    Ok, I already understand what's going on (I don't have a permanent magnet at the moment) but if I put a permanent magnet on it and did not rotate it, it would be attracted once and repulsed when changing polarity?
    jdubowski wrote:
    The AC contactor is made so that the core is divided into two parts, and a compact coil is placed on one. In this coil, a current is induced out of phase with the current in the coil, and when the current in the coil decays, the current in the shorted coil continues to flow, producing a magnetic flux holding the anchor.

    Could I have a simplified drawing please? I can't imagine it. (As if it were going to be the whole thing)
    Now the question arises:
    Are large industrial electromagnets AC or DC?
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    #5 16671503
    Anonymous
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  • #6 16671692
    lolakr
    Level 9  
    Kraniec_Internetów wrote:
    But where was it used?

    Good question, I meant for example in electromagnetic lifts.
    Kraniec_Internetów wrote:
    The compact coil is usually located in the middle column. There is a slight groove in the center through which the coil also passes. It surrounds half the cross section of the middle column.

    I just didn't understand the sentence above. Would it look like this?
    230V AC Coil Contactor: Understanding Electromagnet Functionality & Alternating Magnetic Field
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    Anonymous
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  • #8 16671813
    lolakr
    Level 9  
    Kraniec_Internetów wrote:
    No. After all, I wrote that on the left side; P The core is marked as 4 and the magnetic armature is 5.
    6 is the spring that pushes the armature away from the core.

    That is correct, but is it a groove or a coil? Because the groove is on the left and a compact coil in the middle - the groove does not fit the coil.
    Quote:
    There is a coil on the middle column (the horizontal one here), which is not here.
    the coil that is not there should be where I drew it? or on the left in the extension of this column like here?
    230V AC Coil Contactor: Understanding Electromagnet Functionality & Alternating Magnetic Field
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    #9 16671952
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    The compact shading ring in question looks like this:

    230V AC Coil Contactor: Understanding Electromagnet Functionality & Alternating Magnetic Field 230V AC Coil Contactor: Understanding Electromagnet Functionality & Alternating Magnetic Field
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    #10 16671981
    Anonymous
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  • #11 16672625
    lolakr
    Level 9  
    @jarek_lnx
    Something like that was going on :)
    @ Kraniec_Internetów
    środkowej kolumnie (tu poziomej) 

    As if to say it, darkest under the lantern, I was looking hard for some horizontal column to place this coil somewhere instead of where it should be - on the core :P Now I understand.
    If someone else has such a problem with imagining how it works, I also recommend a video in which the construction of the contactor and the role of a compact coil are shown.



    I consider the topic closed. Thanks to everyone for your help :)

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the functionality of a 230V AC coil contactor, specifically addressing the operation of its electromagnet and the implications of alternating current (AC) on magnetic fields. Participants explain that the contactor's core is divided, with a compact coil inducing a current that is out of phase with the main current, allowing for continuous magnetic flux even as the main current decays. This mechanism prevents the contacts from opening when the AC crosses zero. The conversation also touches on the design of the electromagnet, including the use of soft magnetic steel and the arrangement of coils. Visual aids and simplified drawings are requested to clarify the concepts discussed. The topic concludes with a recommendation for a video explaining the contactor's construction and operation.
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