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Does the TP4056 Li-ion charger have protection against reverse connection of cel

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  • #1 17146808
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Hello, has anyone checked on their own skin if the TP4056 charger with over-discharge protection below 2.5 V has protection against accidental polarity reversal of the connected cell. It's about the layout as in the first photo.

    Does the TP4056 Li-ion charger have protection against reverse connection of cel

    I found out on my skin that the cheaper version with reverse polarity is suitable for a basket. As if someone did not know what photo below.

    Does the TP4056 Li-ion charger have protection against reverse connection of cel

    I would not like to have an unpleasant surprise again, so I ask if anyone has checked it. I still have 10 GSM cells to charge and it is easy to have an accident with such closely placed pins.
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    #2 17147132
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    E8600 wrote:
    It's about the layout as in the first photo.
    In the photo you have described that the protection is DW01A, in which the documentation is that the supply voltage cannot be reversed, so it will probably shoot first.
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  • #3 17147232
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Exact diagram.
    There is a double mosfet, but it will protect the TP4056 system itself in this case.
    Does the TP4056 Li-ion charger have protection against reverse connection of cel

    I have already burned 2 x TP4056 without protection. Maybe there will be someone who tried the "secure" version.
    After damage, the system gives the same voltage at the output as at the input and the LEDs stop shining.
  • #4 17147740
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    I did not take into account R5 - it will limit the current when connected in reverse so the DW01A will not be damaged.
  • #5 17148145
    krzysiek_krm
    Level 40  
    E8600 wrote:
    I have already burned 2 x TP4056 without protection. Maybe there will be someone who tried the "secure" version.

    Logically, a reverse energized protection circuit will not drive any of the mosfets. Since they are anti-series connected, they will open the circuit.
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  • #6 17148170
    E8600
    Level 41  
    krzysiek_krm wrote:
    Logically, a reverse energized protection circuit will not drive any of the mosfets. Since they are anti-series connected, they will open the circuit.

    Yes, but it is not known if the resistor is sufficient protection for the DW01A in reverse polarity. Even when discharged, Li-ion cells have high currents.
    jarek_lnx wrote:
    I did not take into account R5 - it will limit the current when connected in reverse so the DW01A will not be damaged.
  • #7 17148235
    krzysiek_krm
    Level 40  
    E8600 wrote:
    Yes, but it is not known if the resistor is sufficient protection for the DW01A in reverse polarity. Even when discharged, Li-ion cells have high currents.

    If I were you, I would make some modifications to this system, supported of course by previous experiment.
    The supply current of the protection circuit is at the level of a few uA, I think that this protection resistor can be increased to a value, say 1 k?, which will limit the current to a few mA with a charged cell. This voltage drop will slightly disturb the detector's operation, but it will be at the level of a few mV, I think you can get over it.
    Additionally, you can "solder" a low-power Schottky diode with a low voltage Vf on the filtering capacitor, which will protect the circuit against excessively negative supply voltage.
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  • #8 20552489
    modziul
    Level 32  
    Old topic but this happened to me today. Instead of connecting the wires red red black black, of course I connected red black red black. Nothing sparked, nothing burned. The device didn't work. After looking at it, I noticed an error and resoldered the wires from the cell. The device still didn't work. No output voltage. I connected the charger, the charging LED turned on and the voltage appeared on the output. The module works properly, the LEDs work and show charging and its end. Presumably, the over-discharge protection also works, but I can't check it because the device also turns off at about 2.5V.

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the TP4056 Li-ion charger and its protection against reverse polarity connection of cells. Users share experiences and insights regarding the DW01A protection circuit, which is noted to potentially fail under reverse voltage conditions. Some participants mention modifications to enhance protection, such as increasing resistor values and adding Schottky diodes to prevent damage. A user recounts a personal incident of connecting the charger incorrectly, resulting in no immediate damage, suggesting that the over-discharge protection may still function. Overall, the consensus indicates that while the TP4056 may have some protective features, caution is advised due to the risks associated with reverse connections.
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