[Solved] Extending Electric Cables: 400V Terminal Block, 6A vs 10A Load - Kitchen Appliance Safety

Hello. I do not know if I am writing in the right place, but I have a question for people who know electricity because I am concerned about a certain problem. I was renovating the kitchen and the arrangement of household appliances changed, so my father-in-law started to move the sockets for the dishwasher, oven and refrigerator to me. So I have a question because I used a 400V terminal block, six amps but a 10 amp load. Will this cube burn? Shouldn't there be a higher load capacity? Please reply.

He did it poorly. It all depends on the total power of household appliances

Cube 6A for the oven is asking to short circuit. I had such a case myself, but it was caused by changing the oven from gas to electric - nobody looked into the socket until some time ago the fuses blown - the cube is melted and the wires are short-circuited.
When it comes to extending cables, please look here: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3356395.html
Hardly any electrician wants to do this, but it is a failure-free solution for the entire life of the installation.

The cables themselves should be checked in advance if they have at least 2.5 mm2. If it is 1.5 mm - to the oven itself, however, I encourage you to replace the wires. You can rather let go of the refrigerator and dishwasher, but I would verify the power of the dishwasher - a 1.5 mm cable should have a 10A fuse, i.e. up to 2.2 kW in practice.

2P wrote:

Cube 6A for the oven is asking to short circuit. I had such a case myself, but it was caused by changing the oven from gas to electric - nobody looked into the socket until one day the fuses blown - the cube was melted and the wires were shorted.
When it comes to extending cables, please look here: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3356395.html
Hardly any electrician wants to do this, but it is a failure-free solution for the entire life of the installation.

The cables themselves should be checked in advance if they have at least 2.5 mm2. If it is 1.5 mm - to the oven itself, however, I encourage you to replace the wires. You can rather let go of the refrigerator and dishwasher, but I would verify the power of the dishwasher - a 1.5 mm cable should have a 10A fuse, i.e. up to 2.2 kW in practice.

Ie. used a six terminal block but its load capacity is 10 amps, the oven supports 3.6kw, will it hold up?

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jalop wrote:

He did it poorly. It all depends on the total power of household appliances

The oven draws 3.60 kW and used a cube of six but 10 amps

Adula1 wrote:

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I mean, he used a six terminal block, but its load capacity is 10 Amber the oven supports 3.6 kw, will it stand?

No, he won't. The current carrying capacity of this strip should not be less than 16 A.

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Adula1 wrote:

I mean, he used a six terminal block, but its load capacity is 10 Amber the oven supports 3.6 kw, will it stand?

No, he won't. The current carrying capacity of this strip should not be less than 16 A.

Sorry for the typo. I also thought it was too small. It's just that it's already tiled, ehh what can happen if it stays that way?

Are you doing a renovation and you feel sorry for an electrician? Probably everything from one phase and only screws without twisted pair?
Will you wait for your cottage with smoke to go?

Adula1 wrote:

what can happen if it stays like this?

The connector will heat up under high current load for a long time. The contacts will loosen and burn out over time. As a result, the cube will melt like plasticine and the conductive elements will shorten, triggering the protection. It could happen in two months or maybe in two years. At best, only this part of the installation will suffer. If something sticks to the wall permanently, you need to connect it firmly.

Use twisted cubes with the appropriate cross-section and it will be ok.

mod22 wrote:

Use twisted cubes with the appropriate cross-section and it will be ok.

With the right cross-section, i.e.

That is 16A.

mod22 wrote:

That is 16A.

The unit of measure for length / area is not an ampere, but a meter and its derivatives

Adula1 wrote:

So I have a question because I used a 400V terminal block, six amps but a 10 amp load. Will this cube burn? Shouldn't there be a higher load capacity? Please reply.

I wonder, where did you read the load capacity of this strip? And everyone thoughtlessly picked up the topic and are discussing.
Upload a photo, I will believe it, but I bet that the strip is 400V and has an acceptable cross-section of 6mm2, not a current of 6A.
The smallest strip, e.g. a 2.5mm2 simet, has a load capacity of 24A! And 6mm2 has a load capacity of 41A, so each of them is theoretically suitable for an oven, but I personally link in such strips always "overlap", i.e. two wires overlap each other so as to were always tightened by 2 screws. And this forces the use of larger listers 6, 10 or 16mm2, depending on the cross-section of the conductor.

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

Adula1 wrote:

So I have a question because I used a 400V terminal block, six amps but a 10 amp load. Will this cube burn? Shouldn't there be a higher load capacity? Please reply.

I wonder, where did you read the load capacity of this strip? And everyone thoughtlessly picked up the topic and are discussing.
Upload a photo, I will believe it, but I bet that the strip is 400V and has an acceptable cross-section of 6mm2, not a current of 6A.
The smallest strip, e.g. a 2.5mm2 simet, has a load capacity of 24A! And 6mm2 has a load capacity of 41A, so each of them is theoretically suitable for an oven, but I personally link in such strips always "overlap", i.e. two wires overlap each other so as to were always tightened by 2 screws. And this forces the use of larger listers 6, 10 or 16mm2, depending on the cross-section of the conductor.

The cross-section is 6mm , a current 10 and mper that :

I ask again: where did you read the 10A? If this is the simet "cube" I wrote about, then 6mm2 has a rated current of 41A.
https://www.elektrykasklep.pl/towar/21412108-...MIivDbtr712gIVUEkZCh2-2w0nEAQYASABEgL8JfD_BwE

Have an electrician come home. No offense, but you have too little knowledge to try to figure it out yourself.

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

The smallest strip, e.g. a 2.5mm2 simet, has a load capacity of 24A! And 6mm2 has a load capacity of 41A,

So according to these Chinese data of this Chinese strip, the connection point pressed with a screw will withstand 9.5kW?
These cubes, even in chandeliers, fall apart after 15 years.

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

I ask again: where did you read the 10A? If this is the "cube" of the simet I wrote about, then 6mm2 has a rated current of 41A.
https://www.elektrykasklep.pl/towar/21412108-...MIivDbtr712gIVUEkZCh2-2w0nEAQYASABEgL8JfD_BwE

This is not a Simet cube. I have the last one here, but on the back of the back it has 10A written on it.

Adula1 wrote:

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

I ask again: where did you read the 10A? If this is the simet "cube" I wrote about, then 6mm2 has a rated current of 41A.
https://www.elektrykasklep.pl/towar/21412108-...MIivDbtr712gIVUEkZCh2-2w0nEAQYASABEgL8JfD_BwE

This is not a Simet cube. I have the last one here, but on the back of the back it has 10A written on it.

It is not so much about the amps, but about the surface of the guaranteed contact of the connected wires and the fact that such a connection can "release" on the thread. The bigger cube has only a bigger opening and is made of the same material, so it won't significantly improve the surface. If the wires were twisted and insulated together, it could be without a cube at all.
I ignore other issues, i.e. the quality of the ankle itself and the possibility of damaging the cord during forceful tightening. If the wires were not twisted together, or at least threaded through the ankle for the passage, I would not sleep well.

Borutka wrote:

Adula1 wrote:

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

I ask again: where did you read the 10A? If this is the simet "cube" I wrote about, then 6mm2 has a rated current of 41A.
https://www.elektrykasklep.pl/towar/21412108-...MIivDbtr712gIVUEkZCh2-2w0nEAQYASABEgL8JfD_BwE

This is not a Simet cube. I have the last one here, but on the back of the back it has 10A written on it.

It is not so much about the amps, but about the surface of the guaranteed contact of the connected wires and the fact that such a connection can "release" on the thread. The bigger cube has only a bigger opening and is made of the same material, so it won't significantly improve the surface. If the wires were twisted and insulated together, it could be without a cube at all.
I ignore other issues, i.e. the quality of the ankle itself and the possibility of damaging the cord during forceful tightening. If the wires were not twisted together, or at least threaded through the ankle for the passage, I would not sleep well.

If something in this cube is released, will the security work then?

It depends on what and how "lets go". It depends on your security and condition of the installation. So you are going in the direction of "maybe it will work". Get an electrician.

Adula1 wrote:

If something in this cube is released, will the security work then?

It will get hot / ignite sooner than the protection will work. Sparking from an insecure connection can damage the equipment. Re-examination is necessary and performed by a specialist.

Hi.
You saved, and now you will be fixing tiles and improving installations. It's a pity you only ask after the fact. He will write from experience and observation that some electricians from the previous state system are not easy to find in today's standards and norms.
BTW. There is no need to discuss now, just put the installations correctly.
greetings

Currently, Wago connectors are used for can connections. It is a certain combination and aesthetic. If it is necessary to extend the cable that is to be plastered, I would not use these connectors. Not so long ago I had a similar case. However, I decided to solder such a connection. Wago (in my opinion) is good, but there must always be access to it.

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

I ask again: where did you read the 10A? If this is the simet "cube" I wrote about, then 6mm2 has a rated current of 41A.
https://www.elektrykasklep.pl/towar/21412108-...MIivDbtr712gIVUEkZCh2-2w0nEAQYASABEgL8JfD_BwE

I took the 10 'strip, 15A current from the anlux manufacturer, so 6' can have 10A
http://www.anlux.pl/a_zdp-10.0.html

conrad9210 wrote:

Hi.
You saved, and now you will be fixing tiles and improving installations. It's a pity you only ask after the fact. He will write from experience and observation that some electricians from the previous state system are not easy to find in today's standards and norms.
BTW. There is no need to discuss now, just put the installations correctly.
greetings

Correct - how do you think the installation is new, I just ask about these connections, this strip

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mawerix123 wrote:

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

I ask again: where did you read the 10A? If this is the simet "cube" I wrote about, then 6mm2 has a rated current of 41A.
https://www.elektrykasklep.pl/towar/21412108-...MIivDbtr712gIVUEkZCh2-2w0nEAQYASABEgL8JfD_BwE

I took the 10 'strip, 15A current from the anlux manufacturer, so 6' can have 10A
http://www.anlux.pl/a_zdp-10.0.html

Exactly the same strip, only 6mm and 10A

These strips are useless, easily break the thread with light pressure, the screws fall out when they are completely unscrewed, the body deforms when the screw is slightly tightened.
And where is the meaning of 6mm2 cable connections, but with a permissible current of 16 or 10A?

And this connection is probably no longer available, under the tiles?

andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:

These strips are useless, easily break the thread with light pressure, the screws fall out when they are completely unscrewed, the body deforms when the screw is slightly tightened.
And where is the meaning of 6mm2 cable connections, but with a permissible current of 16 or 10A?

And this connection is probably no longer available, under the tiles?

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Unfortunately, everything is connected under the tiles.

Adula1 wrote:

Unfortunately, everything is connected under the tiles.

It would be advisable to remember where these connections were unfortunate and look for the next failure.

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