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Safe Placement of Socket & Extension Near Sink Pipes: Risks & Alternatives

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  • #1 18729959
    alphaz604x
    Level 6  
    I have a socket and an extension under the sink as in the picture. I plan to drill an extension somewhere high up in the next few days, just in case.
    Unfortunately, I'm not an electrician, is something like this even safe? Every now and then I wonder what if he lets go of the hose and starts spraying on the skirting board, even if it is hung somewhere high.

    I am open to solutions.

    Safe Placement of Socket & Extension Near Sink Pipes: Risks & Alternatives
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  • #2 18730024
    Bartusjusz
    Level 25  
    The location of the socket is rather poorly thought out, it is worth removing it, or at least replacing it with a waterproof one.
    As for the work itself, turning off the fuses before, protection against accidental switching on and earthing the installation is the minimum.

    P.S
    Maybe one of the practicing electricians will advise something, it seems that this location of the socket does not meet the standards, on the other hand, practitioners have seen a lot, so?
  • #3 18730087
    Mobali
    Level 43  
    There is no need to mess around here, you just need to move the socket and install it in accordance with the rules of common sense. That is, a height of 0.85-1.15 meters above the floor (if it is to be available above the cabinet) or preferably at a height of 1.4 m. It should be a minimum splash-proof socket (IP44), which should be located as far as possible from the " "wet zone" (i.e., for example, a sink!), but this distance cannot be less than 60 cm.
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  • #4 18730148
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    The problem is what is plugged into the outlet. Something has to be done about this.
  • #5 18730164
    alphaz604x
    Level 6  
    A dishwasher, a washing machine and an electronic mechanism for opening the sink cabinet are connected to the socket. I must admit that I may have a problem with moving this socket.
    So I was wondering about some construction that would surround this socket with such a plastic can, insulated. It would be a bit of work, but something like this would probably be safe?
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    #6 18730306
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering
    alphaz604x wrote:
    A dishwasher, a washing machine and an electronic mechanism for opening the sink cabinet are connected to the socket. I must admit that I may have a problem with moving this socket.

    But why, the regulations do not prohibit having a socket under the sink, they should only be replaced with airtight ones. It is not good that it flies from one socket and a washing machine and a dishwasher. They should be on separate circuits. As for safety concerns, if you have a differential switch built into this circuit, nothing should happen.
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  • #7 18730340
    alphaz604x
    Level 6  
    Krzysztof Reszka wrote:
    alphaz604x wrote:
    A dishwasher, a washing machine and an electronic mechanism for opening the sink cabinet are connected to the socket. I must admit that I may have a problem with moving this socket.

    But why, the regulations do not prohibit having a socket under the sink, they should only be replaced with airtight ones. It is not good that it flies from one socket and a washing machine and a dishwasher. They should be on separate circuits. As for safety concerns, if you have a differential switch built into this circuit, nothing should happen.


    Unfortunately, I don't know myself at all, so I don't even know how to check if I have a differential, but the block was built a year ago, so logically I think that this type of protection should be a standard in new construction.

    With these regulations, you calmed me down a bit, because I started to think about things like what if the insurer came to inspect the problem in the event of a problem and made a problem about it. In that case, I will change the socket to a hermetic one, or maybe I will consider moving it 30 cm higher just in case.
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    #8 18730384
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering
    alphaz604x wrote:
    what if in the event of a problem the insurer came to inspect and made a problem about it.

    The insurer has nothing to do with it. He is to receive from you (if he wants) a copy of the electric shock protection measurement protocol, especially since it is a new building, so you probably have it.
  • #9 18730393
    alphaz604x
    Level 6  
    Krzysztof Reszka wrote:
    alphaz604x wrote:
    what if in the event of a problem the insurer came to inspect and made a problem about it.

    The insurer has nothing to do with it. He is to receive from you (if he wants) a copy of the electric shock protection measurement protocol, especially since it is a new building, so you probably have it.


    Ok, then I'm replacing the socket with a hermetic one, I'll think about whether to leave it at this height or move it higher because I actually don't have pictures of the cables on this wall, so I don't want to risk drilling when moving it.

    As long as it is compliant with the regulations, safe and the insurer will not be able to stick to it in the event of a problem, then I am satisfied. Thank you so much for help!
  • #10 18731147
    Mobali
    Level 43  
    Krzysztof Reszka wrote:
    But why, the regulations do not prohibit having a socket under the sink
    Indeed, the standard applies to a bath, shower or swimming pool, but there is no word "sink" or "kitchen sink" in it. Regulations and rules, however, indicate the minimum distances between nests and "wet zones". Anyway, even the lack of detailed records does not exempt anyone from a bit of common sense. Let's take care of safety for ourselves, not for standards.
    Krzysztof Reszka wrote:
    The insurer has nothing to do with it
    I don't think you're quite right here. This is an excerpt from papers that deal with a similar situation:
    No checks required (mentioned above) may be the basis for refusal to pay compensation. However, if a fire (or other event) occurred as a result of a short-circuit in an incorrectly arranged or operated installation, the insurance company may indicate failure to fulfill the obligations by the aggrieved party as the reason for evading the payment of the benefit. However, if the event had nothing to do with the condition of the installation or chimneys, the insurer cannot base the refusal on the fact that the building was not inspected in a timely manner.
    The text comes from one of the appeal letters after a refusal to pay compensation.
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  • #11 18732571
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering
    And you, to prove to someone that he laid the installation wrong, you should rely on the regulations (standards) and these do not prohibit it. On our forum, almost all described built-in installations are hidden behind such boxes. And besides, what you took out of context of what text has nothing to do with the current situation of the author. Paper signed by a licensed electrician will suffice at this point. And almost 100% of the fight for full compensation for property damage is now in the courts. That is why insurance companies employ several law firms.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the safety of having an electrical socket and extension cord located under a sink, particularly concerning the risk of water exposure from hoses. Participants suggest relocating the socket to a height of 0.85-1.15 meters or preferably 1.4 meters above the floor, ensuring it is at least 60 cm away from the sink. Recommendations include using a splash-proof socket (IP44) and ensuring that appliances like dishwashers and washing machines are on separate circuits. The author considers replacing the existing socket with a hermetic one and is reassured about compliance with regulations and insurance implications. The conversation emphasizes the importance of safety standards and common sense in electrical installations.
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