Will Automation and Drag-and-Drop Software Replace Traditional Electronics Engineering?

Sod discrete IC's sod soldering Sod the economics of this Sod the Jobs Lets restrict all engineers to one task only and lets just make everything throwaway complete Never mind the cost Sod the ecology , Sod the training , upload the hex , never mind the architecture , why bother about electronics at all , Sod PCB design well all use autotrax instead which does all the work for you When the PCB and components fail

We'll just throw this away as well

And finally the only job left will be drag and drop and write the software for the Blob

No Numbers identifying this
No idea of what or how it works and Number of production jobs ,, almost zero
All automated
All software orientated and well , Not much of a future with respect to improving job prospects in the electronics field save that of If you cant write software Tough luck

Still think this will work do we ? Still think we shouldn't learn assembler Still think that all we need to do is copy "

How many people do you anticipate will be unemployed by the year 2016 if we get that far before all hell breaks loose " )

Check this out for yourselves Remotes , Phones , Communications , Car audio , Motor Industry , washing machines , general appliances everything that you pick up this is what they have done etc "

Better still how do you intend to train people who have never been taught basic circuits , basic programming ,basic architecture without practical ??

Lets see what you say to this one as but not least how will you ever intercept a possible war with this technology

Answer you wont be able too


Finally do you honestly think this is clever ? Truthfully what do you think is going to happen if we continue along these lines as seen in the image below I can tell you !!

You wont be in business either as a manufacture or as a designer or as a programmer You will have that much unemployment that no one will be able to buy your products anyway Immediate forecast to this will undoubtedly be war massive international civil war Their targets you as manufacturers of this type of technology That's how I see this transforming

This from Mark Harrington. I am a little surprised, as you (Mark) are certainly not a Luddite. The blob looks like those which have been part of a display (LCD) for years. I have used Autotrax and Client 98 for years, and I must say that making ground planr layers by hand (in Autotrax) took me nearly 1/2 the time of designing a PCB. Client 98 fixed that and now I can go on with other designs. One skill is still very much needed, for instance in designing a PCB, it is best to have sections of a PCB such as an audio power amplifier or switchmode PSU as close to the power supply input pinds of the PCB as possible. I have seen whole designs fail to met spec when this is not done. I only learned this by being lucky to read about it. It made logical sense but it was not obvious, and it is not to others as well. I feel that there is still plenty to do, and my days are absulutely crammed with nwe ideas and inventions which I am patenting. (I am taking time from thaat to write here), These should all hopefully generate new jobs. In fact some years ago a medical invention of mine (combined with that of another inventor) was marketed to Japan, and generated several full time jobs. Thus I think that human ingenuity will continue until we either go extinct or the Western Society collapses as did the Roman Empire. But then there are always the Rats and Cockroaches waiting to be the next masters. Cheers. (this could happen!)

Hi

Yes I'm certainly not a Luddite by any means but I am fully aware of the sever lack of training for engineers when it comes to this technology although Yes you could argue alot of this is on the net

Im still currently trying to understand PCM and PAM at the moment "Self taught " Most of my knowledge is purely self taught

Having completed my days in engineering in both domestic and Rf fields

The problems that we have in the UK are quite significant when it comes to training and investment particularly when you request training from companies to comply with modern day demands the answer is normally flat No other than what Panasonic , Nec , Motorola , Sharp, JVC , Pioneer and 1.5 years at uni have taught me

The rest is pure experience field and no how programming wise yes that's mostly self taught and PIc and Atmel also self taught I had an interest

As for PCB design and circuit design that too is self taught All of it by hand

PCB design packages

They want £25.00 per year subscription which means you have to have an internet related link All updates are done via Internet You can imagine the cost of this via a mobile phone extortionate so god help you if you are unemployed you simply cant do this or learn this

At 50 the unemployment office despite your capability says we will send you on a course which is nothing more and nothing less that How o write a CV as if we don't know how to do this and this will definitely make you laugh You have to see this abortion of running the Uk to believe this

Most people here cant put up a web site Cant write any code at all and as for maths , English well Good luck Because half the teachers are foreign as well which means lectures are very poor as too standards

They've closed most of the schools down so its miles to anywhere bare in mind this a very small country with the population similar to half the United states and more

Currently Im lucky to have two days work a week if that sometimes and the current rate of pay for someone with my experience would you believe is some £2.90 per hour

A real piss take excuse my french I am blunt sometimes When you want information the answer you get is from major companies we cant supply information or schematics so you lose on work there

Companies closed well it looks like a ghost town in places but of course you never see this In fact Its the same old story we had years ago here

As for living standards well I think some of you wold be puking your guts up if you saw some of this and we have such a wonderful set of property owners that their first idea of getting people housed in decent accommodation is to pick on the weakest throw them onto the streets and then promptly advice them they have to be homeless in the borough

In other words living on the streets for some 4 years before they can get onto the housing list that's if your British by birth Yes

The next thing they do to upset as many people as they can which well you know its working ever so well because this lot are getting so annoyed i can honestly see a few of them picking up a machine gun and lining them up against a wall and shooting them point blank range which quite frankly I cant say I blame them anymore

The beast part about all of this is they honestly expect people here to work for peanuts or nothing in some cases and pay their bills I'm just gobsmacked at what this country does to its own people never mind how they think they can get away with this


I think last week I worked from just gone 9.00 and only got home at 01.30 in the morning

Not pleased I can tell you that much

The modules they are buying in never work properly same for the vehicles and these are supposedly recognized companies so much so am I fed up with this , that I decided a while ago because I saw all of this coming to teach myself how to design and program but with time on jobs like this at 50 years of age your in a little bit of a position and a half Its toss up btw going to work for £2.90 per hour and make do or be out of work that easy

My last set of companies that I contacted too jsut folded over nigh that was that end of work and so as a result of their lack of promptness in settling bills etc I lost the contact as too my home I spend the year before last living in a shed through one of the coldest winters on record in fact Im surprised I'm still alive God knows what is must be like for people living rough I hate to think many of them over 50 This is now becoming the norm

Good isn't it ( not that this is your problem personally it isn't Im jsy chatting here

Its government policies that have brought all of this about To much of a hurry to enter Europe without being prepared

Failure to recognize what the changes would be inclusive other companies as well I think not that we haven't told them this either as well as many other people have highly qualified highly experienced this should have been done years ago

The next aspiration of no hope you will receive is the pensions crisis as well so literally no one that I actually know inclusive ny own family has a pension

Next what they do is target the elderly as well so if you need an automatic stair case because you cant walk then They charge you the grand some of some £500 plus for a one module which is well Its a PIC micro board with a little bit of sensing and and some pwn for the DC motor £40. call out fee and the manufacture wont touch it unless itw as installed by them only

I think we could actually make the board by hand and program the bloody thing for the same p[rice and them ass produce this abroad or here for that matter and charge half that price after development and still make money

You walk down the road to buy parts from maplin's and the maximum they aver have in stock is anything is two items that's all they keep so your stuffed there plus of course they want nearly treble what you can buy these for from the net

The Goods that you buy are second rate quality They are just so bloody badly put together designed I'm astonished they haven't walked into their premises and wrapped them around their heads plus of course the attitudes when you ask them to find out information for you although they have apologized 2 years too late unfortunately The damage is done by then


If its isn't this then its a trade war with every other country in the world and you stuffed again everyone gets layed off but apparently this i all our fault would you believe

However if you are an asylum seeker not that I'm anti foreigner but you start to think this way in the end

Then you are automatically given housing stuff the people in their own country They are second rate citizens , You get DHSS grants and obviously benefits I'm surprised they don't buy them a company car as well "dead sarcastic me at times I know but unfortunately this is true "

We even keep the terrorist bomb plotters in the country and forgive them but we throw our own family into prison for smoking a bit of weed no different to David Cameron at the end of the day or his British Justice system this has become the stock standard political joke

The police have been caught running heroine in the Uk as well as cocaine so you imagine the row taking off their Super !!

And now its gay marriage as well "I do love my country but not that much anymore"

And if your really lucky you might get a hospital; appointment from the NHS if they can find a bed for you other worse you are left to die in the corridor whilst the hospital manager picks up a nice bonus in excess of £20 000 or more for closing down the wards "brilliant"

If your suffering from psychiatric illness have no fear they dump you onto a council estate and if you even luckier they shove you in prison cell ,Section 21

Thats all due to the local councils shutting mental illness homes and this is their idea of care in the community " Shove you out in the street Never mind lets turn these into private accommodation and sell off Sod the people who need care

Not Joking !!

Some people are very well off in the UK that's if they have been shafted by other companies of clients not paying bills Its not down to we cant do the Job its just shear greed £75000 on kicthcehn made from oak wood and they paint it " Just shows you doesn't it " Plenty of money about however your piss poor wages are if your lucky £6.50ph No wonder they are so bloody wealthy Not that Im against wealth either I just think isn't it about time you lot played a little fair with people

They are using these now in the outputs circuits of the BMW top of the range cars

Price to replace a ridiculous £2000 - £3000 Stirling work this out in terms of Dollars disgusting is not the word for this plus of course if other trade are requested to service these which they can do You wont get any technical information No service manuals and No training This was done because they couldn't cope with the debt problem of the vehicle industry and where they had to borrow so much money so what do they do nick everyone else business take their ideas and then ripp the customers off

This is just not on its just plain filthy dirty business tactics

Mots of the youngsters are pregnant by the age of 14 years not much older and they don't seem to bother about this too much about this but you know after this happens lets blame the parents in the meantime of course The government are the ones that make the rules

So that's their schooling buggered and any further education

Then its Oh lets make the poor parents go out to work and no problem you can have a subsidy for a nanny paid bare in mind most mothers fall pregnant at an early age here so education plus training bang out the window Add to this divorce separation then add £6.50 per hour minimum wage , add disability for youngsters and whats the point in going to work plus Child unsupervised and now of course they sit and wonder why such a behavior problem

Aaaah must be the parents to bale for this as well you see

So home life is row after row after row No time to themselves No time with the kids and kids run riot

What do they honestly expect but no Its the parents to blame for this too


Ill tell you what I can write a book on this country which would size the worlds encyclopedia Britannica

Just on social decline As for company attitudes well Its nothing but a a continuous row one row after the other inter company inter customer massive rates massive amounts of tax and we are literally looking at this lot and wondering what the hell are they going to do

You can see why some of us are little uptight and upset to say the least cant you

Its is shocking but it is also very true and I think the rest of the world thinks the British are loaded we not

Some people are approximately 10% of the nation the rest are actually quite poor

In fact if you really want the truth I'm just wondering what their last kaffir died from " Hopefully t5hat will be the end of their political correctness as well nothing but trouble "

Still You have to laugh otherwise you will end up committing suicide which many of them have Also true due to the enormous pressure placed on them where the managerial staff cant cope and the 30 years and upwards cant cope and they cant meet the souring costs and the pressure are just mounting and mounting ending in absolute tragedy

Very scary. Perhaps we are on the bottom of the J curve in the downward direction. (collapse of society as a whole in the west). Actually I also lived in a shed for about a year too. It was also my lab! Not cold like the UK though. Actually you and I share a common background in that much but not all is self taught. I am on a pension, and if Australia were not having a mining industry boom, I think we would be similar to the UK. We also have refugees with similar sentiments to those found there. I think that the pay rate you have is poor especially considering your skill levels. Over here it not that bad but the industry is almost nonexistent. I hope that you are able to concentrate on the positive things perhaps in the hobby area. Actually if things go well for us at Mulpin, there may be things you could do for us too. We are currently and have always been struggling as no US investor will invest here in Australia. So we battle on. By going on, I don’t get to do the inventions as fast as I can go as all the business stuff and dumb questions come flooding in. I honestly can’t see why we are not in the stone age still! People are dead scared of anything new!. Email me if you like vk6krg(_at_)gmail.com. Cheers my friend.