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Inner Resistance of Air Core Transformer at VHF/UHF with Closely Coupled Windings

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Why can an online calculator report a 2-turn air-core coil as having less inductance than the same length of straight wire, and how accurate are such low-inductance formulas?

A straight wire does not have a unique inductance by itself; the calculator has to assume a return path and loop size, while a coil’s inductance is defined by its geometry and the mutual inductance between turns, so the numbers can look counterintuitive [#21673958] Low-inductance formulas are often empirical and can be somewhat inaccurate, especially when mutual inductance starts to matter [#21673955] Measuring such small inductances is also difficult and requires very careful instrumentation, so calculator results and measurements may differ [#21673955] In short, the result depends heavily on the assumed current loop and the exact geometry, not just on wire length [#21673958]
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  • Questioning coil length and VHF/UHF transformer resistance

    #1 21673952
    Franz Glaser
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  • #2 21673953
    Emmanuel Galleto
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  • Measured coil inductance lower than straight wire estimate

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    Franz Glaser
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    richard gabric
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  • #5 21673956
    Emmanuel Galleto
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  • #6 21673957
    Franz Glaser
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  • Inductance depends on the return path geometry

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    richard gabric
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    Peter White
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    kamalg prakash
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    Leonard Hide
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Topic summary

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The discussion addresses the unexpected inductance values calculated for a straight wire versus a two-turn air core coil of similar wire length at VHF/UHF frequencies. Calculators indicate that a straight 1mm diameter, 16cm wire yields higher inductance (~182 nH) than a 25mm diameter coil with two windings (~118 nH), which contradicts the expectation that inductance increases with the square of the number of turns. The discrepancy is attributed to the assumptions and empirical nature of inductance formulas and measurement challenges at low inductance values. It is noted that inductance arises from magnetic flux linkage between coil turns, and a single straight wire's inductance depends heavily on the return current path, which is often ill-defined in calculations. The high inner resistance of closely coupled air core transformers at VHF/UHF is also questioned, with references to power electronics concepts where short circuit current is effectively zero. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately modeling and measuring inductance and resistance in air core coils and the limitations of common online calculators.
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