Black list of power supplies and reputable brands of power supplies

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I have now returned to the subject because I have the opportunity to buy a nice kit - however, it is done under a year circa 2003. The specification is as follows MSI P865PE-NEO2 motherboard Pentium 4 3000 mhz Graphic card Radeon 9800 pro Ram 1.5 GB (I will probably extend it) 80gb hard drive...

Kasek21 · Accepted Answer

A contemporary PSU can be installed with peace of mind.

The CPU and card are powered from 12V.

Whether this is a cool kit depends xD

If you want to use it, it's probably going to be under XP, and XP runs 1/2/3rd generation Intel (newer ones too) without a problem, so performance is a few/ten times better. The hardware is younger, so it's less likely to fail.

If you buy it for a penny for your collection or for resale, it's ok. Those Radons were dropping like flies already several years ago, so now, if you want to play games on it, it's not so good. Hardware aside, and to play on XP buy something for 200-300PLN but definitely newer - i5 3gen, 4GB ram and some GTX560/660.

dt1 · Accepted Answer

I have taken the liberty of separating from the PSU blacklist topic, as the post is about choosing a PSU for your kit, not a discussion on a topic related to the legendary blacklist.

The CPU has a 12V power supply, all in all you can consider modern PSUs, but you should look to have ~100W available on the 3.3/5V lines.

350/400W minimum should be enough.

młody14 · Accepted Answer

It will be ok as much as possible under this kit but you have to bear in mind that it has had its years. It would be useful to do a visual inspection of it, at least have a look at the capacitors. New power supplies are unlikely to have more than these 4 molexes, as these are not popular plugs.

dt1 · Accepted Answer

Overall I think it's worth looking for a newer PSU. This Amacrox is actually a Fortron, they were pretty good power supplies at one time, but after 15-20 years even good power supplies are up for a complete overhaul. So it is better to buy something at least 3-5 years old.... Not 20 How do they not give - the sticker on the power supply gives just such details. In the case of a power supply in particular, it is important (and counts among the basic parameters) what voltages the power supply is capable of delivering and what current output it has. These are literally two basic parameters and must be on the sticker. You can split the molexes within reason. If the graphics card is powered from the molex, I would, however, take the shortest possible route directly from the power supply and without power distributors. On the other hand if you have 3 no's then graphics card, disk and DVD drive.... is that it? AI is a poor adviser. Of course such a power supply will work too, but for 160£ you can choose a better one.

dt1 · Accepted Answer

This reconditioning is unlikely to involve replacing all the capacitors, more likely a splash of compressed air. Although I may be wrong, because a power supply worth 30-50 PLN is sold for over 100, for 150 you can buy new power supplies with full warranty and much higher efficiency, so 110 PLN sounds weak. Yes, it annoys me too, because the vendors usually do not show the only relevant parameters of the power supply. The best thing to do then is to type the PSU model into google and look at the pictures, someone somewhere will always take a photo of the label, whether in some review or on a sales portal - you will always find a photo of the label. In fact, verify it. With new PSUs the 3.3V and 5V lines can be very weak (as they are increasingly irrelevant in new computers), with old hardware it makes sense to have a combined output of around 100 W on them, this is enough for most old configurations you would want to make and use a relatively new PSU for them. In the spread you cite, everything is correct. There is 5V/16A = 80W. 3.3V/17A = 56W The total load cannot exceed 100W on these. In the same way, it's common to see something like this on a split 12V line - some amps on one, some on the other, but in total less than the summation of the load capacities of the two lines. - on promotion 159. Good for a new computer, the old one can be powered up too - it's a decent model overall. - also ok, also recommended, as for me it has slightly worse components than the Vero, but in tests it performs well. No label here, so searching on google:

ancanar · Answer

I'll take my chances With the newer nVidia cards, some turn-of-the-century games had sore compatibility problems (e.g. those on infinity engine). I also have a PC with a Geforce 9600GT and with many older games I had problems running on it. I don't want to play around with patches and other workarounds, so I want it to be a computer which was a powerhouse at a time when I couldn't afford one Added after 6 [hours] 23 [minutes]: And what do you think of this AMACROX AX440-60GLN 400W? In the blacklist topic this brand is in the recommended ones but I don't know how specifically this model would fit into this kit. Added after 11 [minutes]: Is it somehow possible to assess this? Because the specifications don't seem to give such details? And I would also like to ask how in the case of modern power supplies looks like the connection of older components through adapters, because for example this: has only 3 molex connectors and you might need more? EDIT: Still such a model suggested by AI

ancanar · Answer

Apparently on allegro it shows as refurbished by the seller but maybe it's actually better not to risk it. Well, it's either I'm looking wrong somehow, or dealers and manufacturers don't provide these data in the descriptions, which are on the sticker. Here, for example, this Zalman: and there are no indicated wattages on the individual outputs. Even the pictures so taken that the sticker can not be seen The same with this Chieftek on media expert ake here on the manufacturer's website I found out such data: +5V - 16A +3,3V - 17A +5V & +3,3V combined - 100W Should I pay attention to this third item? There it is 100W as you recommended, but after multiplying the V*A of these separate figures for line 5 and 3.3 it comes out below 100W on both. I guess that's it? There are two DVDs seemingly in this kit plus an HDD and FDD drive. I guess these outputs to PCI-E and SATA can be connected with an adapter to Molex too? Are they the same voltage? (I know Sata can provide 3,3, 5 and 12V which is the same as Molex - I don't know how it is with PCI-E. And then there is the question of the floppy drive, but I think it is safe to separate a normal Molex? Generally speaking, is it better to use a sata adapter or rather a sata separation: 1 line - no separation to graphics card 2nd line - split into two: HDD+FDD (I have to ask the seller if the HDD is IDE or SATA) 3 line - separated into two: DVD drives (it is not necessary to connect both of them, but just for the sake of argument I ask:P ) Well that's where it gets a bit lost. Wouldn't you like to give a specific model so that it works reliably and without overpaying?

ancanar · Answer

Only these just happen to have few Molexes (1 and 2). How is it with these adapters from sata possibly? Because if I use one for the card, I have one left and it should not be divided into 4? If I look at it like that, the ones with at least 4 molexes start from 300 PLN :/ I found only one more cheap chieftec with more molexes: It has the same number of molexes as the previous chieftec, but it has 80 Plus Bronze (that one is only plus). From what I've read, SATA to Molex adapters should rather be avoided? And btw - the ones marked ATX 3.0 and ATX 3.1 are also suitable, right? EDIT: I keep looking and I think I finally came across something good: It's not some most expensive one, has 4 molexes and a max load on 3.3/5 of 105W. The question is, is it still a reputable manufacturer? (I see different opinions even in the blacklist topic itself)

dt1 · Answer

Buy two of these and it will probably be enough for you, and you won't have to look too hard for power supplies.
https://allegro.pl/oferta/kabel-adapter-sata-15-pin-na-2x-molex-4-pin-7887335186

ancanar wrote:
From what I have read adapters from SATA to Molex should rather be avoided?

Was this somehow rationally justified?

ancanar wrote:
And so btw - the ones labeled ATX 3.0 and ATX 3.1 will also be suitable, right?

Yes, just a shame to buy a power supply much more expensive than the rest of the hardware

ancanar wrote:
Just asking if it's still a reputable manufacturer?

What I've said many times - you can't judge whether a power supply is good just by the manufacturer's name. It used to make sense when the manufacturer had one model of power supply and different wattages only. Now such a Chieftec or even Thermaltake has 20 different models with a full range of wattages from low to high - and these are power supplies from very weak and unworthy of buying, through reasonable to top power supplies. So a black list in such a format, distinguishing only by the manufacturer's name, makes little sense at present in my opinion.

As far as Thermaltake is concerned, the BX1 is an entry-level model, I've never had it, it's hard for me to say anything about it.

ancanar · Answer

That Molex is designed for higher loads/can draw more current than SATA and should not be used with such adapters for devices that need more power (hdd and optical drives on IDE?). I am still waiting for information on whether the HDD and drives in that set are IDE or SATA.

dt1 · Answer

SATA has an officially declared load capacity of 1.5 A per single contact in the power socket. This means that 3 contacts are connected per cable. So we have 4.5 A officially available on 12 V, also 4.5 A on 5 V.

The drives have their power requirements written on their label, but usually do not need more than 1 A from one line or the other. So, you can divide such a single connector into 3 or even 4 drives and it will still be OK, as long as the quality of the divider is reasonable. With two drives on one connector, I don't foresee any problem.

ancanar · Answer

Still, if anyone has had to deal, I would ask for feedback on this power supply:

dt1 · Answer

It's not some graze, but it's not a massacre either. A fairly basic series, but good enough not to worry if it blows up in your computer. On the plus side - it's not some very old model. As it's at a good (double-digit in the case of a used one) price it's one to consider, especially for less demanding hardware.

ancanar · Answer

>>21824363 So there is enough for this kit with a reasonable spare? It's cool because it has 3 Molexes.

dt1 · Answer

Yes, it will be sufficient.

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