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How to Identify TN-C vs TT Electrical Network in a 1950s House Before Upgrading to TN-CS

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  • #31 5614267
    Wirnick
    Level 30  
    Łukasz-O wrote:
    ...

    Please note that the old installations do not meet the requirements of the new regulations, but after all, the PEN (the heavier one) still fulfills its original role, even though theoretically it cannot. Whether we like it or not, it is.
    ...

    10 mm?-CU is a legal regulation that has nothing to do with the mathematical calculus of electric circuits (Kirchhoff's Law and Ohm's Law).
    This cross-section protects the circuit by using a nail instead of a fuse (the circuit will switch off another fuse).
    With short-circuit currents, the fuse operation time is within tens of seconds.
    A cable with PVC insulation 2.5mm? and time 0.1s will withstand 0.6kA without side effects, and 10mm? - 4kA. Wires without insulation - more.
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  • #32 5616687
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics
    Has the legislator adjusted the regulation to prevent padded fuses from damaging the PEN? Oh, something A colleague is exaggerating. In that case, if someone puts a piece of a cooperage instead of a nail, the whole ideology will go to the head.
    But that's not what I wanted to write about.
    We still don't understand each other, I talk about you about the other.
    I mean the very end of the installation, i.e. the one at the recipient - a socket with a pin, cross-section 2x 2.5mm2 in the TNC system. What is the name of the wire going to this socket that is not L?
    In my opinion, N falls out because it cannot fulfill a protective function, PE also falls off because it cannot be working. So, to the light tight, what kind of cable is it? What name should I enter in the measurement protocol?
  • #33 6215477
    Wirnick
    Level 30  
    Łukasz-O wrote:
    ...
    I mean the very end of the installation, i.e. the one at the recipient - a socket with a pin, cross-section 2x 2.5mm2 in the TNC system. What is the name of the wire going to this socket that is not L?
    In my opinion, N falls out because it cannot fulfill a protective function, PE also falls off because it cannot be working. So, for the bright narrow, what kind of cable is it? What name should I enter in the measurement protocol?


    Col. Łukasz. What did you write down in the protocol?
    If you entered PEN, you are in agreement with the theory contained in the book "Aparaty i electrical devices" - Gerhard Bartodziej Eugeniusz Kałuża. However (in my opinion) it is in contradiction with manufacturers of installation apparatus and accessories, installation designers and installers. The contradiction is due to the lack of connection terminals called PEN.
    PEN is not part of the installation.
    The wire from the socket through the N terminals of the electricity meter to the common point of the network is the N conductor. Permission to connect the N terminal with the PE terminal in the installation socket is an exception to the TN supply.
    It is recommended (in new installations - required) to be powered by TNS, where PE is a separate conductor.
    I wrote about PEN in previous posts, I would like to add that it is not a drawing line in a scientific drawing, but a circuit of serially connected quadruples, and even cascades, made of metallic and electrochemical conductors (Earth, soil). If the field conditions do not meet the standards, the elements RES, PER, ... are added.
    How to Identify TN-C vs TT Electrical Network in a 1950s House Before Upgrading to TN-CS

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around identifying the type of electrical network in an old house, specifically distinguishing between TN-C and TT systems. Users suggest that while a phone call to the energy company is the most reliable method, practical checks can be made by examining socket connections. In a TN-C system, the protective-earth (PE) and neutral (N) conductors are combined into a single protective-neutral (PEN) conductor, while in a TT system, PE and N are separate. Users emphasize the importance of understanding electrical engineering principles to accurately identify the network type, as visual inspections alone may not be reliable due to potential modifications in the wiring. Diagrams and technical details about the configurations of TN-C, TT, TN-S, and TN-CS systems are also referenced.
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