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Power Assumptions for a 3-Phase Socket: Comparing 230V General Purpose Circuit (2kW) & Garage Usage

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What power should I assume for a 3-phase garage socket, and what socket/cable size should I choose?

There is no single fixed “installed power” for a 3-phase garage socket; it depends on the socket rating you choose, and a 3-phase outlet uses 400V, not 230V [#5741555] For a typical single-family house, one reply says the utility allocation is around 9kW, so you will likely end up with a 16A socket [#5747344] For a 16A socket, 5×2.5 mm² cable is enough [#5750252] If you want a 32A socket, use 5×4 mm²; 5×5 mm² is not a standard size [#5752911] One reply also notes that 4 mm² may be chosen as extra reserve if you expect heavier tools later, especially depending on cable length [#5750272]
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  • #1 5741293
    filu
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    For the 230V general purpose socket circuit, the installed power is 2kW, and how much for a 3-phase socket? Specifically, it is about one 3-phase socket in the garage - of course, it is not known yet what will be connected there.
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    #2 5741555
    *paweł*

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    Buddy, it depends what 3-phase socket you put on. You have 16A, 32A, 63A and the rest is calculated from the formula. Just take into account that you have 400V there, not 230V ;)
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  • #3 5747344
    noplis
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    And one more thing, as far as I know, the energy company gives a power allocation for a single-family house about 9kW, so you will probably only have a 16A socket.
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  • #4 5749941
    Marsal20
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    How can I connect this 16A 5x2.5 or 5x4 socket?
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    Arturo2005
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    5x2,5
  • #6 5750006
    filu
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    5 * 2.5 is enough because the long-term load capacity of such a cable is over 20A, but I wonder if for the 32A socket it is possible in practice to 5 * 4 because in the load capacity tables it is on the border of 4 and 6
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    #7 5750028
    Jack14
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    This is what I "reworked" according to the new 5x4mm regulations
  • #8 5750046
    filu
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    If you are allowed to know, with what new regulations. As far as I know, in these new HD standards there are no changes in the way of calculating circuits or new tables of long-term load capacity of cables.
  • #9 5750071
    Jack14
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    I am also not an electrician, but I have a good advisor in whom I have 100% confidence (he is not a trickster).
    I installed the YDYP 5x4 cable

    ps

    He had in mind the possible connection of a saw, welder, small concrete mixer, etc.
    (do you want to provide specific recipes?).

    Greetings.
  • #10 5750090
    igabriel
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    a 15kW / 400V motor can safely operate on a 5x4? cable ..........
  • #11 5750103
    Jack14
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    Deviating a bit from the problem, I had a 5x1 connected to the water heater and, surprisingly, the cable was soft like rubber and was lying loose on the wooden ceiling for probably 2 years (it did not bother anyone).
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    It bothered me (although 998 is a toll-free number).
  • #12 5750121
    filu
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    Rather, it must be a 5X4mm2 cable for a 32A socket. I misread the long-term load capacity table of cables.
    The permissible current carrying capacity for a 5X4mm2 cable laid directly in the wall is 32A.
  • #13 5750140
    Jack14
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    Fortunately, you found your friend, because you could have misled the questioner.

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    If you have the opportunity (and financial resources), it is better to use 5x5 (5x4 is the minimum acceptable cost of a meter, about PLN 7.5).
    I decided on the second option, the more that I do not know what to connect to this socket now, and I am also thinking about the future.
    (I did it once and well for years)

    :cry:
  • #14 5750163
    filu
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    Fortunately, he asked for socket 16A, and 32A is our consideration.
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  • #15 5750212
    Jack14
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    I agree with your opinion.
    So, in your opinion, what is the questioner supposed to do?
  • #16 5750252
    filu
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    A colleague asked about the 16A socket and we answered with Arturo2005 that 5X2.5 would be enough.
    As for the 32A socket, 5X4 should be enough.
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    #17 5750272
    igabriel
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    :?: and where can you buy a 5x5? cable, unless it is the actual cross-section of a Chinese 5x6?, and seriously, cables laid permanently, multi-strand, laid directly on the plaster or in plaster with a number of wires 5-6 for copper belong to the V (fifth) class load capacity at the design temperature of 25 ° C and their permanent load capacity is: 31A for 4mm? and 24A for 2.5mm?, so I see no reason to use the 4mm? cross-section, for example because of the protection (I assume that it will not be greater than C25A), it is enough cross-section 2.5mm?, the only justification for a 4mm? cable would be its length, but please note what length it would have to be if the max. the resistance of a multi-core cable is for: 4mm? - 4.5 ? / km and for 2.5mm? - 7.15 ? / km.
  • #18 5750478
    Jack14
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    I decided on the second option, which the questioning colleague will decide, I don't know.
    Personally, I assumed that it is better to have something in reserve than to "scratch" the walls and plaster because the cable cross-section is too small.
    I don't know how my colleague will do it, but I just presented how I did it on my own example.

    ps

    I wrote that I am not an electrician, if there are other opinions, I agree with them, but I will do it "my way".
    (I do not know what to connect yet "and you already know what and how much" electricity "needs?)

    Greetings.
  • #19 5752812
    Marsal20
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    Thanks for your comments.
    Summing up, for the 16A socket, 5x2.5 cable and 5x4 mm2 for the 32A socket.
    5x5 doesn't really exist ??
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    #20 5752911
    jorgkrab
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    5x5mm? does not exist according to the standards. For 32A socket - 5x4mm? as shown in the previous discussion. The socket is one degree higher, it is even better because it does not heat up so much when continuously loaded with the rated current.
    I saw sockets with 63A written on them, but with this current they got hot and on the larger 125A the load in the store was only limited to 5 hours of work.
    Stock will never hurt within reason. :D

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the power assumptions for a 3-phase socket in a garage, specifically comparing it to a 230V general-purpose circuit rated at 2kW. Participants highlight that the power capacity of a 3-phase socket depends on its amperage rating (16A, 32A, or 63A) and the voltage (400V). For a typical single-family home, a 16A socket is common, with a recommended cable size of 5x2.5mm². For a 32A socket, a 5x4mm² cable is suggested, as it can handle the necessary load without overheating. The conversation also touches on the importance of future-proofing installations by considering higher amperage sockets and appropriate cable sizes to avoid potential issues with load capacity and heating.
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