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Electrical Wiring Best Practices: Can Wires Cross Under Plaster Safely?

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  • #1 5936193
    jarek_elektron
    Level 2  
    Hello Dear Colleagues,
    I am an amateur in electrical matters, so I hope that someone will help me at this point. Probably for many it will be a trivial question, but I have a dilemma:
    I am to have the electrical installation replaced in a single-family house. The electrician says that the wires on the wall under the plaster must not cross. I have several places in my house where the crossing of the wires to the 220V sockets would avoid dragging the cable around the room (it is up to 100 meters of wires in total). Can the wires actually cross and this is a cardinal error in the art of installation, or is the electrician trying to stretch me a bit?
    Thank you very much in advance for your answer.
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  • #2 5936245
    czesiu
    Level 37  
    A few crosswords in the installation will not change anything, except that more plaster will have to be applied.
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  • #3 5936459
    Akrzy74
    Rest in Peace
    Cables can cross each other and this is not a criminal mistake. Sometimes it cannot be otherwise. And how does an electrician count you - from a point, whole, or maybe the amount of wire laid? As a result of the crossing of the wires, there is no need to thicken the plaster on the wall - you should "shoe" under the wire.
  • #4 5936484
    grzeko1
    Level 21  
    Hello.
    Nothing will happen if the cables cross, sometimes there is no other way to distribute the installation.
    You need to carve a furrow at the intersection so that you do not have to put too much plaster and it will be ok.

    It was.
  • #5 5959720
    jarek_elektron
    Level 2  
    Thank you very much for the answers, you really helped me because I had the impression that my electrician wanted to cut me a little. Thanks.
  • #6 5959855
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #7 5966475
    fala591
    Level 13  
    Hello.
    If the contractor buys the materials, they want you to pay for the commission on purchases. If you are buying materials tailored to its specification, seriously consider changing the contractor (if the work progress allows it).
    He's such a professional.
  • #8 15932100
    cuma67
    Level 9  
    By the way, I will ask about a few similar topics in order not to duplicate the threads:
    1. Is it possible to lay the 230V power supply cables under the window in a single-family house, under which window there will also be a central heating heater and the electric cable will cross the heater's supply / return? (as of 09.2016)
    2. Is it possible to lay electric cables on the internal boundary wall with a neighbor in a semi-detached, terraced house, etc.
    3. And intersections with other installations, eg LAN, alarm, antenna, water, sewage, gas?
    4. I also found on the net that it is not forbidden to cross a three-phase installation with another three-phase one.
  • #9 15932332
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    fala591 wrote:
    Hello.
    If it is the contractor who buys the materials, they want you to pay for the commission on purchases.
    Should I carry cables for free and waste man-hours outside the facility?
    Transport for free - the transport itself costs too.
    Buddy wave591!
    It is you who are trying to "cut" the performer.

    "A stick has two ends."
    There is no commission, it is not a guarantee for defects caused by material defects.
    The investor has to pay for diagnostics and repair.
  • #10 15932348
    TWK
    Electrician specialist
    Ad 1. It shouldn't be. Thus, the cooling conditions for the conduit deteriorate.
    Ad 2. I don't see any contraindications.
    Ad 3. Intersections and approaches to gas installations in accordance with the provisions of the ordinance on the conditions to be met by buildings and their location. In the case of the water supply, I would also give a greater distance so that the replacement of pipes does not damage the pipes.
    Ad 4. There are no contraindications to crossing five-core cables. But you will probably need appropriate shoring to the wall so that it can be covered with plaster.
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  • #11 15932350
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    But the old chop :D


    cuma67 wrote:
    1. Is it possible to lay the 230V power supply cables under the window in a single-family house, under which window there will also be a central heating heater and the electric cable will cross the heater's supply / return? (as of 09.2016)


    It does not matter, the end result is that the cable will most likely be damaged by the radiator installers, if not with a plug, then when grooving for the radiator supply pipes, I avoid such places with a wide arc.

    cuma67 wrote:
    2. Is it possible to lay electric cables on the internal boundary wall with a neighbor in a semi-detached, terraced house, etc.


    Why not.

    cuma67 wrote:
    2. And intersections with other installations, eg LAN, alarm, antenna, water, sewage, gas?
    3. I also found on the net that it is not forbidden to cross a three-phase installation with another three-phase one.


    It's hard to run all the installations so that they don't cross each other.
  • #12 16015431
    cuma67
    Level 9  
    Next question:
    no 5
    Can the wires cross in the groove like this? Supply of the storey - attic in the cottage. Additionally, there will be one or two single-phase cables, plus one three-phase one. Of course, all this fits in the groove before the mortar is laid, but it can also be corrected - swap places so that the wires do not cross, for example, by the person who did it.

    Electrical Wiring Best Practices: Can Wires Cross Under Plaster Safely?
  • #13 16015513
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics
    cuma67 wrote:
    Next question:
    no 5
    Can the wires cross in the groove like this? Supply of the storey - attic in the cottage.

    You have the answer in post # 3.
  • #14 16015943
    cuma67
    Level 9  
    Łukasz-O wrote:
    cuma67 wrote:
    Next question:
    no 5
    Can the wires cross in the groove like this? Supply of the storey - attic in the cottage.

    You have the answer in post # 3.

    Indeed - I forgot to reread the thread from the beginning before writing another post. They can cross, so there are only aesthetic considerations, because in the situation shown in my photo, the wires can be arranged so that they do not cross, and in other cases, to avoid also forging furrows too deep to hide these crossings under the plaster.

Topic summary

The discussion centers around the safety and best practices of electrical wiring installations, specifically addressing whether wires can cross under plaster in a single-family house. Participants agree that crossing wires is permissible and not a significant error, provided that proper installation techniques are followed, such as creating a furrow at the intersection to minimize plaster thickness. Concerns about the electrician's motives and potential overcharging for materials were also raised, suggesting a need for transparency in contractor-client relationships. Additional questions about wiring near heating elements and other installations were posed, with responses indicating that while crossings are generally acceptable, care should be taken to avoid damaging cables during installation.
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