Traces on Wall After Plastering & Painting: Wire Insulation & Solutions for Wire Visibility

Question

Hello. My question is: Is there a specific reason for the appearance of such traces of wires on the wall after plastering and painting? Do you have a solution for this? Is it enough to use wires with better insulation?
Kind regards and thanks

karolark · Answer

Traces? something closer to the discoloration cavity?

kkas12 · Answer

My fellow furrow. Just carve a furrow and lay the wires in it.

Łukasz-O · Answer

The reason is too thin a layer of plaster covering the cable, and thus too shallow furrows for the cables.
Now, to get rid of it, paint the places transparent with white matte oil paint, and then ordinary in the color of the walls.

Chupacabra · Answer

There are several threads in the network on this topic, e.g. here:

mawerix123 · Answer

And why too shallow furrow and not too thin layer of plaster Yes, I ask because I have recently talked with the client and from word to word I ask him if we are furling under the wires and he says that not because he would probably have to pay expensive for the whole service, in fact, no one will cut walls free. I suspect that after my work there may be a situation that the USMP will emerge from the plaster as it used to be .... and whose electrician's fault was that he did not want to cram the wires for free, the plasterer that came off the price saving on material or an investor who unfortunately wanted save Unfortunately, the effect is such that the electrician collapsed because he laid the wires on the wall without shoeing but is it right ... Another issue is the quality of the cables of unknown origin. By the way, there are special paints for greasy stains and stains that give advice in this situation.

Łukasz-O · Answer

It depends on whether the installation is done on a raw state or renovation with already existing plaster. And in the regulations, what is the minimum layer of plaster covering the cable? Who will be the fault? You know that an electrician is always to blame

mawerix123 · Answer

I think we are dealing here with a relatively new investment Well, finally, the electrician breaks the wire ......... through too thin plaster So I referred to the criticism that the cable was located in a too shallow furrow.

Łukasz-O · Answer

I don't know, in principle, the eyes we write here. The cable should be covered with a minimum of 5mm plaster. No matter if there are grooves in brick, concrete or plaster.

Anonymous · Answer

From what I remember, a layer of plaster on the cable minimum 5 mm. Sometimes I saw how more loaded circuits shone through the plaster, especially gypsum because the difference in temperature was significant and the wires did for the radiator.

djlukas · Answer

I once had a case that wires could be seen in places. Of course, according to the plasterer, the electrician's fault because he didn't get the wires.
So with the owner I showed the recipe for these 5mm plaster coverings, then on the plaster bag I showed the record "plaster layer min. 8mm ....." I took the caliper and stuck it in the plaster, proving that there were 3mm plaster each.
The owner ordered to lay an additional layer under the threat of not paying for the work. :-)

Since then, in order to avoid such situations, I always stay under wires and have peace of mind.

wada · Answer

You have also forgotten about the fault of the painter or developer who did not cover the plaster with an unigrunt or at least a priming paint (Śnieżka grunt - or something similar)

And the worst when he painted the wall first with some cheap chalk paint (Single, or other crap to mask the plasterer's deficiencies), then the next paint starts to crack, or you do burchle and then paint patches fall down, and most often along the lines of the wires where it often stays a bit air and the hoses additionally heat up slightly, and often on such a "One" another artist will apply coats and paint them

kkas12 · Answer

Not true. It is not a matter of paint but a thin layer of gypsum plaster covering the wire. The era of p / t wiring is coming to an end no matter how hard it is to imagine.

Klosu92 · Answer

Could your friend explain what he meant?

michcio · Answer

Walls built today are so even that sometimes you could practically give up plaster and apply the same finish. The plasters themselves are also becoming thinner (because there is no need for them to be thicker), hence there is simply nothing to hide the wires in and you need to cut furrows.

elpapiotr · Answer

And for someone who has a wall chaser, no problem to do such a thing.

kkas12 · Answer

Exactly what I wrote and what colleagues explained.

wada · Answer

The electrician should be notified in advance of any structural, organic, silicate, plaster, plasterboard, tile, glass and other cladding plasters in order to make furrows, which should even be plastered. And not as it often happens that after the fact and then reworking, combining and cutting because the corners lack the wire.
And furrowing also means additional costs, a furrow chaser, a vacuum cleaner, disposal of debris, and plastering.
And I met in several institutions that special soft PVC troughs were pressed into the furrows (without plastering, screwing ...), and in that the cables were laid and after closing they almost flush with the wall and all these modern technologies were imposed on it - but it was also appropriate expense.

But this topic is "Traces on the wall of the wires" and probably applies to the old technology of thick plasters, and what is more interesting now many people are fisia on EKO and puts old type sand-lime plasters.

Anonymous · Answer

I am lucky that I do not have to do installation on the houses, although it is a very nice job that requires thinking. What to cram the wires, with so many professionals on the market, try to push the price with furrows - space. The chasing machine alone, I don't remember anything about PLN 2,000 net plus a vacuum cleaner roughly the same, this is not a shocking cost. Wanting to respect the vacuum cleaner, bags around 20 PLN / pcs, my worked-out De Walt works sporadically, recently at the renovation of my apartment, but since he is already 7 years old, it doesn't hurt, he works bagless. As for wall chasers - I have a Bosch, heavy shit and the shields are 150 mm, where they are relatively expensive (about 80 PLN / pcs) - I bought segmented 125 mm for 15 PLN, they cut the same, only to a smaller depth ...
For colleagues performing the installation I recommend a Bosch attachment with crumbling (sorry for spelling mistakes) which can be attached to an angle grinder. I have one, I had to tune it a bit, because it was Bosch, not De Walt, and in most cases we have such machines. Option w / w much cheaper and muchooo less hands hurt when cutting out.
As for the plasters - gypsum plasters, maybe something has changed, because I do not do internal installations anymore, but as I did it only a developer. Virtually 95 percent of private investors - cement and lime plasters.

Pozdr.

Krzysztof Reszka · Answer

Topic to close due to lack of interest from the author.

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