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How to Check for a Missing Phase in 3-Phase Power When Motors Hum but Lights Work

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How do I check whether a 3-phase supply is missing one phase or has a bad neutral when single-phase loads still work but 3-phase motors only hum?

Measure the phase-to-phase voltages with a proper meter or a loaded tester; you should get about 400 V between L1-L2, L2-L3 and L1-L3, and a neon lamp alone is not enough for diagnosis [#9038979] [#9043615] [#9044476] If one phase is missing or two conductors have been bridged, you can still have lights and sockets working while 3-phase motors only hum because the supply becomes asymmetric [#9043615] Also check the working neutral/PEN, because a burnt or high-resistance PEN can imitate a missing phase and cause voltage drops [#9039257] [#9043761] For the gate drive, verify the supply under load rather than only with a neon tester, and look at the board’s indicator LEDs for limit switch status [#9043005]
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  • #1 9038900
    mistrz007
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    Hello
    I have an unusual problem, I suspect a puncture, but I don't know how to check it.
    The symptoms are as follows.
    -I checked with the bulb after the differential, all phases are lit and it's ok
    - lighting is on, other devices (computer, kettle) are working
    - the problem is with sewing machines (3-phase motors) do not work (hum) - this one is missing one phase, but some machines try to turn on the differential
    - the drive to the gate (230V) does not work, the voltage is still available

    the problem appeared when opening the gate, when it suddenly stood half open, I thought it was from the gate, first disconnected the power from the fuse in the box, but it did nothing, I removed the power supply directly in the drive, nothing changed either.

    I don't know what to do, any tips, suggestions ??

    greetings
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  • #2 9038979
    elektron56
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    Measure phase-to-phase voltages with a meter. Write what is your measurement result?
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    stanislaw1954
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    Hello. Old electricians use 2-bulb "test tubes" to measure the phase-to-phase [voltage]. Because maybe someone or something, e.g. wind, threw the lines on the overhead network. In this way, you can have 3 phases at home, except that one is missing> a blown fuse in the transformer station. And the third phase is the connection of the lines, so there are two.
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    machefi
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    And that's what he has. Master007 writes that the 3-phase motors are buzzing and the gate is not moving. He writes that the voltage to the gate is coming, but he probably checked the phase without checking the working zero. On the gate drive, he can easily check the voltage with a meter because there is the primary load of the power transformer Anyway, the voltage supply to the gate drive can be checked practically without any measurements, because there should be LED diodes on the electronics board that indicate the position of the gate's limit switches.
  • #7 9043615
    stanislaw1954
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    I am not talking about the lack of phase, but about repeating it in this way, with the lack of e.g. L2, there is e.g. L1 on this cable. And then we have:
    L1, L1, L3 and N and L2 is missing.
    There are enough "specs" who can bridge the wires on the power supply. And later they wonder ----- Why is the motor "humming", after all I checked with neon lights and all phases are. whether the bulb will recognize it. You need to check:
    L1 - L2, L2 - L3. L1 - L3 [R - S, S - T, R - T] and must be 400V everywhere.
  • #8 9043761
    machefi
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    Of course you are right. I was recently to the "humming saw" where some specialty bridged two screws in the switchboard from the side of the 25A test fuse and the local electrician did not come up with it "because there are phases on the saw switch". But the power supply of the Master007 gate must be checked. Bronek 22 is also right that the meter must be able to use, but this is not a "new invention" but a basic electrician's measuring instrument. , because uncertain zero in, for example, a single-family house is an avalanche of damage to electronic equipment (instead of zero, the second phase appears unexpectedly in the socket).
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  • #9 9044242
    elektron56
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    What about it all master007 . Have you measured the interfacial tensions ??
  • #10 9044296
    Jerzy Bartnicki
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    Hello
    The topic is worth remembering by many electricians. The meter is a meter, but an old tester with a load, such as a light bulb, cannot be deceived, of course, the measurement between phases.
    I think that every experienced electrician has survived such a case.
    George
  • #11 9044317
    stanislaw1954
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    Hello. To a telephone question, such as "I have all the phases and the engine hums", my first query is - "what did you check".
    If the answer is - neon, then for me it is a signal that it is a waste of time to translate. Better to go and check it yourself, and as it is, it was discussed here.
    Greetings.
  • #12 9044476
    ROBSON33
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    Well, gentlemen, what is there to discuss? The neon lamp is only an indicator and is not suitable for any diagnosis.
    More than once I went to the washing machine which, according to The client does not show any signs of life and the voltage in the socket is in place, it turned out that he was checking it with a neon lamp.
    In fact, a burned out wire in the socket or a blown fuse.




    How to Check for a Missing Phase in 3-Phase Power When Motors Hum but Lights Work

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The discussion revolves around diagnosing a potential missing phase in a three-phase electrical system, particularly affecting devices like sewing machines and a gate drive. The user reports that while some devices are operational, the sewing machines hum without functioning, indicating a possible phase loss. Responses suggest measuring phase-to-phase voltages with a meter, as neon lamps are inadequate for accurate diagnostics. Experienced electricians recommend using traditional test tubes or light bulbs for testing, as they can reveal issues like burnt wires or blown fuses that may not be detected by modern meters. The importance of checking the working zero and ensuring proper voltage across all phases is emphasized to avoid misdiagnosis.
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