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  • #1 10403218
    dhun
    Level 10  
    Hello. I am a newbie to this forum and if I wrote in the wrong place please correct me. If necessary, I will delete the post and paste it in the right place, if possible.

    To the point:
    In our apartments, we often find so-called power beams or strips or anti-interference filters. For a layman like me, it looks like an extension cord with a splitter, on-off switch and a diode. Once I was convinced that they consume a symbolic amount of "electricity". I once bought an inexpensive (about PLN 30-40) device to check, among other things, how much "electricity" is consumed by a given device. The results made quite sense. What was my surprise when it turned out that the so-called power beam when it is turned on consumes about 7W. I conducted a few tests and on a few "beams" I had and the results were about 5-10 W. Interestingly, it depended whether any, even off , device. I tested it on the simplest device that I could find, i.e. a lamp consisting of a cable (without grounding), an on-off switch, a light bulb holder and light bulbs (because I tested how much current the light bulbs consume :) ). It turned out that the "lamp" (as well as other devices) connected via the beam consumes about 5-10W more. What's more, the beam itself also takes about 5-10 W. Just plug in the plug switched off lamps for the beam socket.
    I am a layman when it comes to electrics. I pogooglała a little and I could not find out if this is normal. My guess is that if the diode is lit on the beam, it must take some current. However, on any of the devices available to me I have not found any markings on how many and what it depends on. 5-10W is a lot. Currently, I have a lot of so-called "power beams" at home and I am a bit concerned about the fact that each of them can use up to 10W additionally. Especially since I do not disable them all, just as needed. Could someone explain this topic a bit, or point to a page with such information?
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  • #2 10403458
    goldi74
    Level 43  
    To be sure, use an ammeter to check what current this strip draws from the network. This cheap power meter may falsify the results.
  • #3 10403548
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #4 10403783
    dhun
    Level 10  
    this device has the following description:
    Electricity cost meter
    Saphir Handelsgesellschaft mbH & Co. KG
    Postfach 10 67 40 D-20045 Hamburg
    Model No. EKM 30
    Switching power max 16A / 3680W
    Cat II
    KW 33/07
    E40032

    Technical data:
    Mains voltage indication: 190V - 276V
    Display of current consumption 0.0-16A
    Display of the measuring range 0.02 A.
    1W resolution
    Display of active power 0-3680W

    Accuracy of measurement:
    V: +/- 3% of the measured value
    A: +/- 3% of the measured value / +/- 0.004 A.
    W: +/- 5% of the measured value / +/- 10W (hmm, maybe it's this inaccuracy)
    kWh: +/- 5% of the measured value / +/- 0.1 KWh

    As I tested on other devices (e.g. light bulbs), the results were close to the expected +/- 1W
    Unfortunately, some time ago this stopped working because the built-in batteries he used (Ni-MH CELL 30H, EN-EL10) died and I was unable to buy new ones. I bought another device in an electronics store (6907c URZ1213 power calculator) but it turned out to only show in the range of 15-3000W (resolution 0.1W, accuracy +/- 3% up to 2000W). So poor with testing below 15W
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    #5 10404067
    goldi74
    Level 43  
    dhun wrote:
    W: +/- 5% of the measured value / +/- 10W (hmm, maybe this inaccuracy)

    You see ... That's why I wrote you to measure the current consumption with a normal ammeter. Then everything will be clear.
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    #6 10404296
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #7 10407250
    dhun
    Level 10  
    Thanks for the advice, I will check for sure and let you know. Only before that, I will read how it is done, because as I wrote, I am a layman, and I have a certain respect for the electricity flowing in our sockets.

    By the way, it is actually a poor device, since when I connected the 11W bulb only, it showed 11W and as through the "beam" it showed 18W. And the results were repeatable :(
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  • #8 10407627
    Sokrat58
    Level 19  
    And you could not dismantle this "beam" and show us what is inside, because we will "keep asking" until the end of the world?
  • #9 10411979
    dhun
    Level 10  
    As I wrote in the first post, I tested "on a few 'beams' I had and the results were about 5-10 W" These are standard cheap power strips that you buy in a computer store. Disassembling all of them (currently I have about 7-9 of them) does not smile a bit. I wanted to know if this was normal behavior. Colleagues explained to me that this is not normal and either I have a non-standard "beam" or the device is pointing incorrectly. They also indicated verification methods, for which I thank you. I checked today and it seems that the cause of the fuss was a low-quality device. Currently, it does not work, so it is difficult to verify it at 100%. Later I will try to check all the "beams" I have and if there will be any surprising results (ie one will consume a noticeable amount of electricity), I will let you know for sure. Thanks again for your help!
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    #10 15364655
    tomi38
    Level 11  
    In terms of unraveling the mystery ...

    1. The power strip you are writing about has overvoltage protection in the form of a varistor and a fuse.
    2. After exceeding a certain voltage, the resistance of the varistor decreases sharply and the current flows through it sufficient to burn the fuse, which will protect your devices (powered from such a strip) from overvoltage and burning.
    3. The varistor before this voltage has a certain resistance of the order of tens or hundreds of kOhms and a tiny current flows through this resistance, which multiplied by the voltage gives the power consumed P = U * I (for resistive loads).
    4. In the described case, the resistance of the varistor is about 10 kOhm, one such strip consumes about 3.6 kWh per month. Whether it is a lot or not much depends on how expensive equipment you protect.
    5. To protect the whole house / flat, it is better to install a good class surge protector in the fuse box - lower energy losses and greater certainty, but unfortunately the price may scare you. However, you can count on discounts on insurance.
  • #11 15364658
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    tomi38 wrote:
    In terms of unraveling the mystery ...

    Are you looking at post dates? For four years, the author either unraveled the mystery or ignored it.
  • #12 15364666
    tomi38
    Level 11  
    zbich70 wrote:
    tomi38 wrote:
    In terms of unraveling the mystery ...

    Are you looking at post dates? For four years, the author either unraveled the mystery or ignored it.


    @ zbich70 - I don't have to explain it to you, because you are a colleague, but in a moment another young man will come, surprised by what he measured and he will ask questions or look for answers ...
  • #13 15364669
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    tomi38 wrote:
    in a moment another young man will come, surprised by what he measured, and he will be asking questions or looking for answers ...

    So when he comes, you will write him back.
    Reheat all the old chops, or maybe some young man will come and ask ... :D

    PS. I gave my points to a colleague (500+ ;) ) so that a colleague of archives does not have to dig out.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the electricity consumption of power strips, often referred to as "beams." A user measured the power consumption of several power strips and found them to consume between 5-10W when turned on, even without connected devices. Responses suggest using an ammeter for accurate measurement, as the user's power meter may yield inaccurate results. The conversation also touches on the internal components of power strips, such as varistors for overvoltage protection, which can contribute to power consumption. The user plans to verify the measurements with different devices and seeks confirmation on whether the observed consumption is typical for standard power strips.
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