Are there any alternatives to Honeywell Tuxedo Touch and Danfoss Link for heating control systems?

Hello,
I am looking for a home automation system. The main purpose is to control the heating: 6 radiators and 2 electric heating mats. However, I would also like to be able to add other devices in the future.
The system needs to be wireless, and I want a colour touchscreen panel for control. I’d like to keep the cost for the panel, 6 thermostatic heads and 2 switches to around 3,000 PLN

I considered Danfoss Link – but it seems to me that it is a very ‘closed’ system. I found the Honeywell Tuxedo Touch system, based on Z-Wave, with Wi-Fi, offering more advanced programming capabilities and support for various Z-Wave devices. http://www.tuxedotouchtoolkit.com/index.html
Unfortunately, it seems this product is only available in the US market, and there Z-Wave operates at 900MHz, so it’s out of the question in Poland. I’ve read about Miacasaverde here on the forum, and I like the VeraLite controller, but I think I’d prefer a controller integrated into the panel, as an additional panel means higher costs.

I have a question: what alternatives are available on the market in this price range? Are there any European solutions similar to Tuxedo Touch? Or what panel / software / thermostatic heads could I use with the VeraLite?
A request to those with practical experience – please advise, as it’s difficult to navigate these topics; there’s little information, few complete systems from a single manufacturer, and with a hodgepodge of components, you never know what will work with what...
Thanks, best regards, Dawid.

Well, I can see that the prospect of a complete system costing around 3,000 zł for a seven-room flat isn’t encouraging my fellow installers in the industry to speak up.

I suppose the big money in this business will soon run out. Take, for example, an 8.4" LCD panel from Nexwell for 3,500 zł – is that normal???
For 3,500 PLN, you can buy a branded 17-inch Core i5 laptop with 8GB of RAM, a 750GB hard drive, Wi-Fi, HDMI, LAN, Bluetooth, a camera, a battery, a power supply, a drive/burner, etc., etc.
Or two 10-inch branded Android tablets.

Or some Homecenter for 2,000 PLN – not worth much more in terms of hardware than a decent Wi-Fi router. The logic behind grouping devices, controllers and time-based scenarios – let’s face it – isn’t exactly Nobel Prize material these days.

Due to the lack of Honeywell Tuxedo on the EU market, I think I’ll go for Danfoss Link – it has actuators, thermostats and on/off switches. It actually meets all my needs.

Unless, of course, any of you have a different suggestion?

I recommend this solution:
The eQ-3 MAX! Cube LAN gateway, white, priced at 219 zł from conrad.pl. It allows you to control thermostatic heads via an Android phone; the gateway connects to the internet and controls the heads via radio signal

I was looking for something like this a year ago, couldn’t find it, and ended up buying Honeywell HR20 thermostatic heads at 120 PLN each

Now I would buy the above solution; there is a free app for it on the Google Play Store

The thermostat head costs 129 PLN

If anyone wants a Homexpert Honeywell HR20 Style, I’d be happy to sell it for half price and buy this Android control system I have 9 of them, used only this season

Show me a photo of that HR20. Are you selling them as a set, or individually as well?

Freddy wrote:

Show me a photo of that HR20. Are you selling them as a set, or individually as well?

All at once, otherwise it doesn’t make sense
if you want, I can take some photos

I think I’ve got about 7 of these
http://image.ceneo.pl/data/products/9935541/i...zna-glowica-termostatyczna-rondostat-hr20.jpg


and I think 2 of them
http://image.ceneo.pl/data/products/1735987/i...-hr20-termostat-grzejnikowy-elektroniczny.jpg

I bought everything from conrad.pl at the price listed on their website, and they really are the cheapest

Thanks for the info – functionally speaking, I’d like there to be some switches for this as well. And then there’s the panel. I know I could just hang a tablet with Wi-Fi on the wall, but that’s a bit of a makeshift solution. It runs on the Z-Wave frequency, but I don’t think it’s actually Z-Wave compatible. And in the comments, people were complaining a bit about the build quality – have you seen it in the flesh? Or is there somewhere I can have a look at it??

The price is very attractive, though... I’ll have to think it over
Cheers!

davvid wrote:

Well, I can see that the prospect of a complete system costing around 3,000 zł for a 7-room flat isn’t encouraging my fellow installers in the industry to comment.

I suppose the big money in this business will soon run out. Take, for example, an 8.4" LCD panel from Nexwell for 3,500 zł – is that normal???
For 3,500 zł, you can buy a branded 17" Core i5 notebook with 8GB RAM, a 750GB hard drive, Wi-Fi, HDMI, LAN, Bluetooth, a camera, a battery, a power supply, a drive/burner, etc., etc.
Or two 10-inch branded Android tablets.

And is a visit to a specialist for 150 PLN/15 mins normal? After all, you get nothing in return apart from the extra cost of buying the medicines?
I don’t know how old you are, mate, but that sort of comment sounds more like a teenager who thinks everything should be free.
Don’t you pay for computer software either? Because a CD or other media containing software can cost several hundred zlotys – surely you can just copy it without any extra cost?
Now broaden your horizons and think about the scale on which laptops are distributed and mass-produced, and how this compares to IB automation, where you also have to devote years of work to developing a functional system, which, just like computer hardware, is subject to constant evolution and expansion – do you think every improvement takes a programmer 10 minutes?
I bet that if you ordered 100,000 Nexo LCDs, you’d get them for 500 zł each – would the price be acceptable to you then?