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What sort of light with a timer should I use to simulate someone being at home? To deter burglars

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What kind of light timer should I use to switch lights on automatically while I’m away to make it look like someone is home?

Use a simple plug-in timer or an electronic timer to switch one or more lamps on and off on a schedule [#21943320] Simple timers are accurate to about 15 minutes, while electronic ones are more precise and can have a battery-backed clock [#21943320] For a better presence simulation, use two or three timers in different rooms so the pattern is less predictable [#21943320] An electronic rail-mounted dual-channel timer with up to 16 programmes can also control two sockets, for example via an extension lead to lights in different rooms [#21943341] You can also put a radio or hi-fi on the timer so there is sound as well as light [#21943320] These devices were described as simple, reliable, and inexpensive [#21943359]
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  • #1 21943307
    patgaw
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    Hi
    Can you recommend a light that turns on automatically when we’re not at home? The idea is to set a schedule so it deters burglars. It could simulate a TV being on. The Wi-Fi will be switched off whilst we’re away.
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  • Using standard timers for presence simulation

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    Mobali
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    All you need to do this is a standard, inexpensive timer. You simply set the times when you want the light to be on and when you want it to be off. Simple timers are accurate to within 15 minutes, whilst electronic ones are more precise and also feature a battery-backed clock. You can connect one or more appliances to the timer’s socket. And by using two or three timers in several rooms, the presence simulation will be even more refined. Of course, there’s nothing to stop you from using a timer to control the radio or your hi-fi system. Then, as well as the lighting, you’ll also be able to ‘hear’ that someone’s at home.
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    balonika3
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    This is exactly what I mean: Link
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    ta_tar
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    You can also use an electronic rail-mounted timer, which is dual-channel and offers up to 16 time programmes.
    You set up a circuit with two sockets and connect devices in different rooms via, for example, an extension lead.
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    Mobali
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    Here is an example of both the solutions suggested above. In each case, the purchase cost will not exceed a few dozen zlotys, and the devices are simple and reliable:

    What sort of light with a timer should I use to simulate someone being at home? To deter burglars

    What sort of light with a timer should I use to simulate someone being at home? To deter burglars
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    @Mobali But there’s another device just like the one in the first photo, only it’s a two-channel model.
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    patgaw
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    I’ve already got a way to control the socket – I’ve got one of those smart plugs. Do you know of any reasonably priced light bulbs that mimic the light from a TV?
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    collie2
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    patgaw wrote:

    Can you recommend a light that would switch on automatically whilst you’re away from home?


    Just plug the ‘smart LED TV simulator for the home’ into a socket and sleep soundly away from home:

    Plug-in LED TV light simulator with night houses and a burglar silhouette holding a crowbar
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    ta_tar wrote:
    But there’s another device just like the one in the first photo, only it’s a two-channel model.
    I know it exists. But it’s difficult to post photos of everything that’s available ;-)
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    patgaw wrote:
    I’ve already got a way to control the socket – I’ve got one of those smart plugs. Do you know of any reasonably priced light bulb that mimics the light from a TV?

    Well then, just plug the TV into the smart socket and you won’t need to mimic anything.
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    collie2
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    I can just picture the TV switching on as soon as it’s connected to the mains. :)
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    TV scheduling can automate on-off cycles while away

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    collie2 wrote:
    I can just picture the TV switching on as soon as it’s connected to the mains
    Actually, it doesn’t have to. Many of these modern models support EPG or PVR. So you can set a reminder and have the TV switch on and off in time for a selected programme broadcast whilst you’re away from home. The TV will switch on and then switch off. You can programme multiple switch-on times in this way, even for several days. There are also functions for scheduling selected programmes on a recurring basis – daily, weekly, etc.
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    patgaw
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    >>21943392

    Actually, I’ve seen that, but everywhere it’s the same model, which has a twilight sensor. I can’t find one without that sensor. I’m worried it’ll go haywire.
  • CCTV with cloud and SIM backup recommended

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    patgaw wrote:
    Wi-Fi will be switched off whilst you are away.

    Wouldn’t it be better to also use CCTV, of course with live and archived viewing from anywhere, but this requires Wi-Fi for the cameras or cameras with a SIM card. Recordings on µSD cards in the cameras and additionally in the cloud. Simulating a presence at home is a rather ‘so-so’ security measure. If the house is observed beforehand, it’s easy to tell that the presence is fake.
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    >>21943477
    Thank you, I’ve just checked – my TV has a switch-on and switch-off timer in the settings. However, I’d rather not use the TV for things like that and I still prefer some sort of light.

    >>21943573
    There’s CCTV outside the block; I think the camera even covers the area in front of my balcony, but thieves haven’t been bothered by cameras lately.
  • CCTV is less effective than physical security

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    patgaw wrote:
    I’d rather not use the TV for things like that and still prefer some sort of light.
    Why not, when it’s a simple, effective and ready-made solution that you already have? You can, after all, use the additional light independently, which will only make the simulation more convincing.
    patgaw wrote:
    ...but thieves haven’t been bothered by CCTV cameras lately.
    If they’re not bothered by CCTV, then other measures will be of little use either. Installing CCTV is probably pointless too, isn’t it? In that case, I’d opt for good security on the windows and doors, removing any items from the house that might tempt a burglar, or using a security patrol service whilst you’re away. And if you’re only away occasionally, perhaps it’s worth asking someone to actually stay there and keep an eye on the flat?
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  • Sinum automation for realistic presence simulation

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    collie2
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    patgaw wrote:
    However, I’d rather not use the TV for things like that and still prefer some sort of little light.


    I think that when it comes to something as important as protecting your own property, you can’t just settle for a little light – you have to go all out. One such comprehensive solution could be, for example, a simulation in the Sinum system. Just look at what it can do:

    "The basis for the simulation in the Sinum system is the EH-01 control unit (or its slimmer version, the EH-01 Lite), which acts as the ‘brain’ of the entire installation and executes pre-programmed scenarios and schedules based on time or events. The user can programme the system so that, at dusk, the light in the living room comes on and the blinds lower automatically, exactly as they would when operated manually by the household members. The Sinum system enables the creation of advanced automation scenarios, where, for example, switching on the radio (via the SG-230 smart socket) is linked to a specific time of day. Importantly, the system operates locally, so the programmed security functions will still be carried out even in the event of a temporary loss of Wi-Fi connection.

    To create an effective presence simulator within the Sinum system, the main devices used are those controlling lighting and window coverings, as these are most visible from outside the building.

    * control unit: coordinates the operation of all modules and enables remote management of the building;
    * light switches: allow lights in various rooms to be switched on automatically, suggesting that occupants are moving about;
    * roller shutter controllers: these allow the roller shutters to be raised and lowered at different times, creating the impression of occupancy;
    * multi-sensors: these can monitor environmental parameters and trigger scenarios based on the level of external light or detected movement."

    And here’s something else to convince you 100 per cent to forget about any old little light:

    “Why is it worth investing in a smart presence simulation?

    Investing in an automatic presence simulator is, above all, about peace of mind and a real increase in the physical security of the property and its occupants whilst you’re away. Burglars usually scout out buildings before breaking in, and dynamically changing lighting and moving shutters are a clear signal to them that the house is not empty. Furthermore, thanks to Sinum’s automation, we enjoy greater convenience in our daily lives – the system can close the shutters automatically after dark, enhancing our privacy without us having to remember to do so. The system is fully scalable, allowing you to start from scratch and gradually add further security features."
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    bratHanki
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    If the flat is under surveillance – and this is usually the case – it takes just two days and an ordinary watch for the criminals to be certain that the lights are being switched on via a timer.
    The most reliable solution is Wi-Fi switches controlled via the internet. Using your smartphone, you can throw a party in your flat from the other side of the world.
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    bratHanki wrote:
    The most reliable solution is internet-controlled Wi-Fi switches.

    The problem is that the author does not anticipate the Wi-Fi being switched on whilst you are away.
    patgaw wrote:
    The Wi-Fi will be switched off whilst you are away.
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    DiZMar wrote:
    The problem is that the author hasn’t taken into account the possibility of the Wi-Fi being switched on whilst the user is away.

    This way, it’s limited to just the simple controllers mentioned at the start of the thread. A light and perhaps a radio. Well, it’s better than nothing.
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    balonika3 wrote:
    This way, he’s limited to simple

    All that’ll be left for him is to employ a few spineless people.
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    patgaw , thieves aren’t just any old amateurs. First and foremost, nobody carries out a ‘break-in’ on a whim without doing their homework. All you need to do is watch for a few days to see if people are leaving the house, and then you can calmly go ahead with the job.
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    Ryszard49 wrote:
    All you need to do is watch for a few days to see if people are leaving their homes, and then you can safely take action.

    That’s what I meant when I wrote that
    DiZMar wrote:
    Simulating a presence at home is a ‘so-so’ security measure. If the house is observed beforehand, it’s easy to tell that the presence is feigned.

    The only solution is >>21943811
  • Layer multiple security measures for deterrence

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    To be honest, you shouldn’t rely on just one security measure, but on a combination of several. Take burglar-resistant windows, for example. They’re not much harder to open than ordinary ones. However, when combined with an alarm system fitted with appropriate detectors, it’s virtually impossible to open them without setting off the alarm. Let’s take it a step further – what use is an alarm in a remote area? In that case, it needs to be linked to a notification system, such as a security company. Only a combination of several well-thought-out solutions can pose a significant obstacle to burglars. And even then, there’s no 100 per cent guarantee.
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    Ryszard49 wrote:
    Thieves aren’t just some idiots .

    Rather thieves aren’t just some idiots .
  • Randomized timers still look suspicious to burglars

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    Well, yes, burglars aren’t stupid, and if they’ve been watching for several days, they’ll notice the pattern of the lights coming on, the TV switching on, and so on. There’s also the fact that in a lit room, you should be able to see the shadow of someone moving about through the window every now and then. Whilst I’ve seen timers available in the past with an option to switch things on at random times, the absence of any shadow of a person in the flat or curtains that are constantly drawn must ‘raise a red flag’.

    And if it’s a detached house (worth round-the-clock surveillance due to the potential for a break-in), then – as someone rightly pointed out – it must raise suspicions that nobody has left the house for several days, despite the simulated presence.
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  • #27 21943883
    bratHanki
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    You could also consider the option of having a family member stay there whilst the owners are on holiday. They’ll water the flowers, collect the post from the letterbox, and feed any pets if there are any… This is the surest way to keep your home safe whilst you’re away. :-)
  • Burglary gangs target visible valuables in flats

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    DiZMar wrote:
    Thieves aren’t exactly dimwits.

    Would it be OK if I’d written ‘tempaki’ instead?
    Anyway, getting back to the topic, a police officer I know gave me a talk on flat burglaries and the penalties for this offence. You can look it up online under: ‘Guidelines for sentencing for burglary’ – it’s interesting.
    There are many burglaries in blocks of flats carried out by so-called ‘leszczy’ – a quick break-in, snatching any visible valuables and making a getaway. Such burglaries are practically impossible to detect.
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    Ryszard49 wrote:
    Would it be OK if I wrote ‘tempaki’?

    But you wrote “ tempaki ”, which really sticks out like a sore thumb. It should be “ tępaki ”. Don’t you still realise that you’ve made a (huge) spelling mistake?
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    DiZMar wrote:
    After all, you wrote ‘tempaki’, which really stands out from a mile away. It should be ‘tępaki’. Do you still not realise that you’ve made a (huge) spelling mistake?

    Quotation marks (e.g. “ ”) are a punctuation mark used to set off quotations, titles, words used ironically and phrases of a special nature.
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