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Construction and power supply of the 3kW Fibaro Switch module - photos and descriptions

m.biruta 10080 21
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How is the Fibaro 3kW switch module built, especially its power supply section, and are the relays and current paths really suitable for that load?

It appears to use a Power Integrations LNK304 LinkSwitch-TN for the low-voltage supply, with little protection around it; one reply also identifies the circuit as a Viper-style buck supply, and notes that the module lacks the pi filter recommended in the LinkSwitch-TN design guide and has spacing issues [#14366291][#14306030] The switching side seems undersized for universal 3kW use: the Relpol RM80 relays are rated at 8A, which is only just under 2kW per relay, so the claimed 3kW looks optimistic unless the relays are paralleled [#13106662] Another reply points out that the only real electronics “thinking” is in the Z-Wave radio module, not in Fibaro’s own hardware design, and criticizes the connector and electrolytic capacitor quality as likely long-term weak points [#13107490] One reply adds that the apparent weakness of the current paths may not be as bad as it looks, because PCB copper can be 70 or even 150 µm thick [#13130687]
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  • #1 13104540
    m.biruta
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    Hi,
    I'm probably not the only one curious about how Fibaro "toys" are built, especially how they solved the power supply issue. Today I got my hands on a 3kW switch module, so I took the liberty of opening it up and photographing it. The switching system is Relpol RM80 relays with a load capacity… 8A, which is just under 2kW. If you have other Fibaro modules, throw in :)

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  • #2 13106662
    kemot55
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    I think what they meant was that you can squeeze about 3kW out of the whole device. If the two relays are connected in parallel then it will probably work out that way. However, when the 'RELPOLEs' stick together, cook or explode is another matter. The only thing that can be complained about is the width (cross-section) of the power paths (in my opinion).
  • #3 13107490
    stkop
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    I think this is one of the first designs by Fibaro, which is establishing itself as a high-end brand.
    What I see here:
    - not the best quality connectors and electrolytic capacitors [two main causes of failure, due to the passage of time (these are home automation modules so they work 24h/356 expected life min. 10 years)]
    - rather too weak relays for universal home applications [as above].

    Besides, 90% of the technical thought of this device is contained in the z-wave radio module [this is not a Fibaro production].
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    danplus
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    Welcome,

    i know this is an old topic but does anyone have any idea what this circuit is? What is its symbol?

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    kemot55
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    Probably "something" from Power Integration that is a power inverter. It's hard to tell from your photo what exactly they put in there. And what exploded and has a hole in the middle?
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    air98
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    danplus wrote:
    Hello,

    i know this is an old topic but does anyone have any idea what this circuit is? What is its symbol?

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    This is the LNK304 from PI.

    Generally from the hardware side these modules look uninteresting. In front of the LNK according to should be a piltr pi with two capacitors and a choke ( LinkSwitch-TN
    Design Guide Application Note AN-37) but in the module you will find only 1 small capacitor. No protection at all.

    Looking at the wallplug I was not surprised that it is not approved for sale in Sweden. The rules regarding the spacing between paths have not been followed.
  • #9 15354145
    pepe_lodz
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    Hello
    Maybe someone can help me. I have purchased a second hand FGS221 module that is 2x1.5kW from a well known site.... olx
    . The module works only strange because it is in a housing from a dimmer. I don't know if it's a repaired device, but never mind. When I connected it to the power supply, i.e. only the cable for L and N (on the table) without any other wires, when I set it to open the relays, i.e. switch off the light, it squeaks something. It squeaks like power supplies sometimes squeak. When I switch the light on, one relay squeaks more quietly and the other no longer squeaks. What could it be? The dealer tells me to send it back, that his technicians will check it and if they fix something... but I say I will ask here first because the cost of sending it back may be a waste and it may be enough to replace something...
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    pepe_lodz
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    And may I ask more clearly. What can I do in this case? I'm not an electrical and electronics em but I'm familiar with the soldering iron.
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  • #13 15354403
    pepe_lodz
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    And is it not possible to replace something or pour this varnish?

    And isn't this squeaking in any way dangerous ?
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    pepe_lodz
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    I.e. not too expensive and what kind of paint does it have to be? and what would I have to pour you can show me in the pics of the first post ?

    And what leads to the squeaking that is dangerous and what can happen ?
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    pepe_lodz
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    Is this what I have highlighted in red ?

    And how to pour it and with what varnish ? From my wife's nails I understand that it can not be :) ? Construction and power supply of the 3kW Fibaro Switch module - photos and descriptions ?
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    Anonymous
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    pepe_lodz
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    OK and how do I check if it is this component that is squeaking and how do I flood it ?
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  • #21 15354543
    pepe_lodz
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    But how do I check that it is not cracked? Because it is covered by some kind of plastic. Please help me as a layman...step by step
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