Integra + Fibaro HC2 or Integra + Loxone Miniserver - which is better?

Hello

I am looking for opinions, experiences, arguments etc.

Which solution is better, more pleasant to integrate/programming

Integra + Fibaro HC2
or maybe
Integra + Loxone miniserver (connected via int-knx)

The assumption is that Integra is the main "window on the world" (in "binary" issues, i.e. roller blinds, light, etc. - simply the IORS modules are cheap) plus, of course, the alarm, and Fibaro/Loxone to provide a pleasant interface for operating this + support for RGB or "analogue" inputs/outputs (not necessarily literally, I mean all sorts of sensors for temperature, environmental conditions, etc.)

The argument that with an existing KNX gateway you can easily expand the system is obvious to me.
I mean practice, I know that in fibaro it is relatively easy to write scripts downloading some data from the internet or communicating via lan/modbustcp with e.g. some plc. How do such issues look like in Loxone.
Which system is easier to integrate with a multi-room or media server.

Regards
Kamil

For most applications I would bet on Loxon but this is mainly because it has gateways to many wired standards.
With your assumptions, however, I would bet on Fibaro for several reasons :
- ease of connecting devices (plug & play)
- autonomy of the modules
- ease of integration over IP
- easy Lua scripting language including an easy and aesthetic interface for your solutions
- automatic construction of an aesthetically pleasing interface
- better integration with Satel than in Loxone, because it is complete (after ethm) (inputs, outputs, states)
- ready integration with TV over IP
- ready integration: superimposing your images on the HDMI TV signal (subtitles, camera images, etc.)
- ready integration with multiple receivers over IP
- ready integration with bluerey over IP
- ready integration of meteo stations over IP
- masses of ready-to-use solutions developed by users (media centre, Sonos, meteo, heating, etc. ...)
- native applications for smartphones and tablets (Android, IOS) are very aesthetically pleasing
- in a short while, the Imperihome app will support Fibaro
- HC2 has a very extensive API
- voice control and voice messages in Polish
- support in Polish

These are the most important ones that should interest you. Take a look at the Fibaro forum, especially in terms of the new version, which will be in beta for another month. It gives a huge boost in the form of plug-ins.
You can find some interesting integrations on my blog at www.inteligentnydom.lic.pl

I see a colleague has a lot of experience with HC2
Tell me if getting along fibaro with siemens logo or fatek will be fairly painless? As far as I can see, only the fibaro rgb module has analogue inputs, there is also a binary module, on average I like the idea of packing such a rgb module into e.g. a boiler room to get water pressure from a pump or soil pH. I prefer a small plc which, by the way, will take over some of the logic, apart from the fact that I do not, on average, like wireless solutions if I have the possibility of giving a cable.

i have never integrated with PLC, but if it enables reading and controlling by IP, then you won't have any problem from Fibaro side.
You can create a plugin in LUA, which will create virtual devices on the Fibaro side, presenting states from the PLC and enabling Fibaro to control PLC outputs. Of course, everything depends on the capabilities of the PLC.
The largest plugin I have at home is for communication with Integra 128 WRL
The plugin synchronises 128 inputs, 128 outputs, 32 zones.
There are also a couple of integrations over Modbus. Take a look at the forum because there is a lot of it.
aaaaaand I would forget, you can also talk to RS232 via USB in the control panel, but nobody has done that yet, because it's a new feature in the latest version.

I've just done a bit of reading for myself, indeed LUA and the openness of HC2 itself offers huge possibilities. Even if the rest of the installation is based on other systems the fibaro can provide a beautiful interface and integrator, for such little money.... ehh no wonder.
From what I have initially understood the apps are for iOS and Android and the operation from the PC is done from the web . Do you know if there is a windows application in the pipeline? I am talking about a wall-mounted lcd panel, of course you can put a tablet in a frame or on a raspberry and similar put android and touchlcd, but in terms of stability and reliability as there is a budget it is always better to give an industrial panel computer.

Imperihome is also an interesting option

And in terms of integration with the integration, what are the latencies? The question of outputs - i.e. I click something in the fibaro app and how quickly the integration activates e.g. a relay, and more relevant probably in the other direction, i.e. i think it's more important the other way round, i.e. how quickly the integration detects movement and how quickly the fibaro knows about it (although in the case of light from movement detectors, I'd probably control it directly from the integration to minimise the delay from "pir->integra->fibaro->integra->iors" to "pir->integra->iors", and the fibaro at most sets some input in the integration as a flag to link it to the general logic

dzik84 wrote:

Do you know if there is a windows application coming? I mean here a wall mounted lcd panel, sure you can put a tablet in a frame or on a raspberry and similar put android and touchlcd, but in terms of stability and reliability as there is a budget it is always better to give an industrial panel computer.

i saw that someone wrote an app for Windows. Read in this thread http://forum.fibaro.com/viewtopic.php?t=2700

As for the screen on the wall, you can make it yourself in anything because you can control Fibaro via an external API. You have broadly described states and device configurations available via JSON

Open remote, Tasker .... a few clicks and you are done.

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And in terms of integration with the integration, what are the latencies? The issue of outputs - i.e. I click something in the fibaro app and how quickly does the integration trigger a relay, for example, and more relevant probably the other way round, ie. the integration detects movement and how quickly the fibaro knows about it (although in the case of light from motion detectors, I would probably control it directly from the integration to minimise the delay from "pir->integra->fibaro->integra->iors" to "pir->integra->iors", and the fibaro at most sets some input in the integration as a flag to associate it with the general logic

the data transfer is lightning fast (although in my experience it's half the time with the Fibaro Motion sensor).
I have recorded a video for you. PIR--> Integra -->Fibaro HC2-->switch Z-wave

Welcome,

What is the easiest way to dim the light circuits on an inegra 128, let's say up to 5-8 circuits, everything would already be on leds. I already have an INT-IORS. Is it necessary to connect some other system that works with the satellite or can it be replaced somehow. an "intelligent installation" of this type with the possibility of dimming the lights on the satellite would be enough for me!


kind regards
Grzegorz