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Testing Eco-Pea Coal Furnace Feeder Motor: Bypassing Coil Feasibility

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  • #1 15069762
    mateusz0081
    Level 13  
    Hello
    My eco-pea coal furnace feeder motor has not been working for two days.
    The furnace controller sends voltage, but the motor itself does not work.
    Could the coil/relay be at fault here and the engine will not work due to a damaged coil, or is it just the engine itself that has failed?
    The engine doesn`t make any sounds, it doesn`t hum like it`s dead.

    Could I somehow check this by bypassing the coil?


    Testing Eco-Pea Coal Furnace Feeder Motor: Bypassing Coil Feasibility Testing Eco-Pea Coal Furnace Feeder Motor: Bypassing Coil Feasibility Testing Eco-Pea Coal Furnace Feeder Motor: Bypassing Coil Feasibility Testing Eco-Pea Coal Furnace Feeder Motor: Bypassing Coil Feasibility Testing Eco-Pea Coal Furnace Feeder Motor: Bypassing Coil Feasibility
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  • #2 15070242
    janszy3643
    Level 29  
    I don`t know what the problem is, turn on the engine itself at 230V, leaving out the entire automation. Along the way, you also have a rocker switch mounted on the engine body.
  • #3 15070495
    mateusz0081
    Level 13  
    I connected it directly and it doesn`t respond.
    So will the motor (winding) be burned?
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  • #4 15070515
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    Disconnect the connections at the terminal block, use an ohmmeter and check the continuity of the windings. You just need a little knowledge how to do it.
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  • #5 15070556
    noszczyk24
    Level 14  
    I would focus on thermal protection (it can be hidden in the winding)
  • #6 15070559
    mateusz0081
    Level 13  
    If I set the meter to Ohms, will it also take a measurement?
    There are 6 wires coming out of the motor, the even colors will be the continuity of the winding?
    So, for example, Green-Green, Yellow-Yellow, etc.?
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  • #7 15070893
    timon125
    Level 24  
    At the very beginning, check whether the switch has a transition. Then number all the pins, write a diagram on a piece of paper and measure all possible connection combinations.
    I see that the motor has 2 speeds. From the presence of the capacitor, I conclude that it has terminals like a 3-phase one, so there should be 3 coils, but it has 2 speeds, so the system probably has 6 windings connected in the so-called a double star. I`m not sure, but that`s what it looks like to me. If you check the ohms, that`s what it will show. Measure carefully, because even small deviations in the difference between e.g. 1 and 2 coils may indicate engine damage (coil short circuit). But then it would work. There should also be 2 resistance values for individual coil connections. For example, a single coil will have e.g. 17 ohms and there will be 6 of them, but there will be cases when you measure two in series at a time and it will show 34 ohms. It`s not entirely simple.
  • #8 15070928
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    timon125 wrote:
    but it has 2 speeds, so the system probably has 6 windings connected in the so-called double star
    And what did your colleague conclude this from? From coffee grounds? The engine nameplate is shown like this doll, the terminal board as well. Unfortunately, these capacitors have a tendency to break through, which usually results in the destruction (burning) of the windings. Ohmmeter and test!

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    timon125 wrote:
    small deviations in the difference between e.g. 1 and 2 coils may indicate engine damage (coil abbreviation)
    More nonsense. It is a single-phase motor with a "run" capacitor. In this case, the differences in winding resistance are very large. If the interested party has found (measured) that the motor is powered correctly and does not even "hum" :D "that`s the end of the discussion.

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    mateusz0081 wrote:
    So will the motor (winding) be burned?
    Everything points to this, but can the rotor be turned manually? Maybe the gear is stuck?
  • #9 15072880
    timon125
    Level 24  
    Well, I`ll finally play quotes with someone.
    So : timon125 wrote:
    but it has 2 speeds, so the system probably has 6 windings connected in the so-called double star
    And what did your colleague conclude this from? From coffee grounds? The engine nameplate is shown like this doll, the terminal board as well. Unfortunately, these capacitors have a tendency to break through, which usually results in the destruction (burning) of the windings. Ohmmeter and test!
    My friend concluded this from the speed switch, and I see that my friend drew conclusions from the nameplate and terminal plate, i.e. he has a faint, if not green, idea about engines with double star windings.
    I don`t care at all about capacitors whether they puncture or not, as long as I can diagnose what kind of engine it is. Because first you need to know what you`re dealing with and not say that capacitors are puncturing. This is not a pre-election spot, just determining what we are dealing with and how to solve it, my friend.
    The next comment that fell out of the loop: timon125 wrote:
    small deviations in the difference between e.g. 1 and 2 coils may indicate engine damage (coil abbreviation)
    More nonsense. It is a single-phase motor with a "run" capacitor. In this case, the differences in winding resistance are very large. If the interested party has found (measured) that the motor is powered correctly and does not even "buzz", :D "that`s the end of the discussion.
    My friend writes this nonsense without reading and understanding the entire topic and shooting posts like a machine gun without asking what it`s about. Specifically, the point is that the engine has at least 3 coils, and write whatever you want, man, I know that they are identical. I make measurements without condoms, not like your friend with everything. Think about what comes out from under your fingers to others, because you can mislead someone.
  • #10 15072889
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    Sure, now let the Moderator speak.
  • #11 15075512
    mateusz0081
    Level 13  
    The thermal insulation needed to be replaced, so the issue was solved.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a non-functional Eco-Pea coal furnace feeder motor. The user reports that the motor does not respond despite receiving voltage from the furnace controller. Various suggestions are made, including checking the motor directly with 230V, testing the continuity of the windings using an ohmmeter, and examining the thermal protection which may be hidden within the winding. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the motor's wiring and resistance values, as well as the potential failure of capacitors leading to winding damage. Ultimately, the user resolves the issue by replacing the thermal insulation.
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