Old refrigerator - High bills, old refrigerator and house, buying a wattmeter

And I would start with:
- since the last electricity bill, I understand, is paid ---> report your doubts about the reading, and the reliability of the calculations to the Energy Provider.
- of course, the 40-year-old refrigerator should be placed in the "museum of technology".
- the "plugging in" of it must be ascertained , precisely by the Energy Provider.
- you need to answer the question: since when, and by how much the bills have increased?
- answering these questions , results in taking certain actions. I will add that even "old for those times", but efficient electrical installation of the house, certainly does not significantly inflate your energy bills!!!
The purchase of unnecessary metering equipment...will not change your view of the current situation in any way.
I would add, you should consider the following points:
how many points of light there are in the house/apartment, how many watts/each bulb, how many outlets connected receivers during the day(refrigerators, washing machines, t.v., computers,etc)
Apply a gradual transition to energy-saving type lighting. Costs are significant for a one-time replacement, but spread over time --->recovered by reduced bills precisely.

I would invite someone I trust, but I don't know such a person. My esteemed mother spoke with an electrician who said that there are no such meters that when you plug between the plug and the outlet will check how many watts an appliance consumes Now my mother every now and then asks when this wonderful device will come, as if she does not believe that actually such a thing who invented. I think for this reason as well as perhaps out of curiosity about how much electricity a Mesozoic refrigerator consumes, however, I will buy a wattmeter


Also, I repeat the question, will the two-tariff wattmeter I showed be able to calculate what I need at one tariff?

Bill 500zł.

The meter and yes it shows numbers in the form of 25040.4 kWh, does such a scale allow to observe, say, anomalies if I turned off everything, even those refrigerator of discord?

As I understand it, even the most let's call it primitive installation dating back to the People's Republic of Poland should not affect the power consumption?

Is the reminder from the supplier paid? If so, then approximately how much? Can they refuse such service?

Should I move to the recently fashionable LED lighting? But is it an overrated thing and not much different from so-called energy-saving bulbs?

I'm already preparing a table of what we have


Hmm these 500zł seemed quite ok to me, given that we have this flow heater, only recently I began to change my mind that it does not necessarily have to be so




I'll add that the plug-in theory seems least likely to me. It was my grandmother who made this assumption, because from the pole that draws electricity to us they recently connected the lighting under the parking lot. To me it is improbable that by some strange coincidence we should pay for the parking lot streetlights, but what is on the list of theories .

Once upon a time a friend had a similar problem.She was left alone in the apartment (blocks of apartments), and paid more than a neighbor with a husband and two children .After turning off what could be turned off the meter did not fool around too much.It turned out that at two points in the wall where the electrical system went were beaten metal pins to hang holy pictures.About 4 mb of carbon installation .After replacing the above-mentioned modest bills came.

Turning off the refrigerator for the time of checking the meter will not affect the possible thawing, you turn it off from the knob that probably located inside and then unplug it from the outlet. You turn off all appliances and watch the meter. As for the electrician/electricians who have a vague knowledge of metering devices, avoid them by a big bow.

omnibus111 wrote:

About 4 mb of installation with carbonized .After replacing the aforementioned came modest bills.

Haha, interesting


I wonder if there's something in it, but not so much some supernatural forces, so to speak, but overconfidence in electricians as I mentioned above. Perhaps there is something in the connection of the heater. Maybe tomorrow I will cycle what we have there.

Małolepszy wrote:

The heater is 5.5kW, and that's not a lot and can run up a big bill. It depends on how much hot water you use, because if someone likes long and warm baths-showers then the bill is normal. 500zł is a monthly bill?

For two months.

I think you're right, as yet let's say I revel in the table I put together on short notice, I'm getting more and more of a feeling that the bills don't lie.

Małolepszy wrote:

What is the point of this reminder?

Someone above wrote about the letter to the supplier that the bills "strangely" inflated. I have read in various places that people have misconfigured meters, not set up as they should be. Roughly speaking, I have in mind some routine meter check as a reminder






Of course, using a secluded place we do not rely on the help of a flashlight and there is lighting, in addition, there is also a corridor and lighting outside, but from an excess of excitement I forgot

That is, the longer you think about it, the circle of suspects does not narrow, but quite the opposite.

From curiosities today I "measured" the consumption in this heater. Mom went to take a bath and the meter for 7 minutes of her bathing went from 25039.4 to 25039.8, then for 7 minutes without the heater it went to 25039.9, so it comes out so slightly messed up counting it per person came out 0.3 without the heater....

However, it seems to me that such charges are perfectly normal. Hot water for washing, laundry. These few other appliances also draw some electricity. However, you will probably have to grit your teeth and pay....

Dal me also with such appliances (heater 5.5kW, stove 2kW, 2 refrigerators, 2 TVs) this bill is not particularly striking. 250 zł per month is achievable, Just as the colleague above wrote, it is enough that there will be 2 more laundry done and already a dozen kWh will fly.
What does not mean that you should not do anything to find savings. Such a wattmeter can give a picture of the power consumption of individual appliances, but one should bear in mind its rather debatable accuracy, and it will certainly not be a tool for any complaint.
For my part, I can recommend taking a look at the lighting if "ordinary" incandescent bulbs are used in places where the light shines for a relatively long time (rooms, corridor). Such an incandescent bulb of, say, 60W in an hour will consume as much electricity as an LED of ~5-6 W (giving a similar amount of light) in 6 hours. You can already hit good LEDs at a price of PLN 10-20 so the tragedy is not and will pay for itself, depending on the lighting time, in about six months.
Other than that, I turn my attention to devices used "occasionally". : hair dryer ~1kW , iron ~2kW, etc. also consume electricity and can affect a large fluctuation of bills in the month-to-month comparison.
Checking the operation of the meter by disconnecting all devices from the electricity will allow to preliminarily exclude problems with escaping current into the wall through the "nail in the picture", after all, it is enough that such a nail touches only the phase conductor in the cable and does not have to cause tripping of the fuse, and the current will flow through the wall.

At our place the old polar fridge(from 97) was causing bills for 350-400zl(~500kWh), after replacing it with a new one they dropped to 230-190zl(~270kWh). On the wattmeter it showed an intake of about 2kw/24h. The installation in the house, an old aluminum, two-wire system, saw the electrician in 1939, when it was put in place while it was still under the Germans.

Returning to the subject of the above-mentioned meter , I use a similar one, for example, to check the washing machine for the efficiency (condition) of components during normal operation. Observing its indications, I can determine the damage, without dismantling the housing. Sometimes I prove to unbelievers that what is written on the plate describing the equipment is not quite true.

justykacz wrote:

For two months.

With a fair amount of hot water consumption, this is almost a normal bill. Did the bills increase by leaps and bounds after the installation of the water heater or "for no reason" What is the difference between the bill from last year and now - for the same months.

justykacz wrote:

The problem is with this refrigerator, its not possible to unplug, because it will defrost

Don't joke, You unplug EVERYTHING for 10 minutes and during that time watch if the LED in the meter blinks, if it blinks then every how many minutes or seconds. Give the result of the counter self-test .

I for a family of four pay 220zł a month each. Wife is not working now so she is using appliances since morning. At my place, half of the bill is charged tv plasma 600W +ampli ~100W for a total of 700W about 8 g a day.

A family of 4, gas water, about £130/month, £250 with an electric (5 people) heater does not seem much....

Małolepszy wrote:

But for what period?

Some years, about 5-6 years from July (after replacement) the invoice is at 200PLN.

Małolepszy wrote:

On the new or old refrigerator?

On the old one.

Colleagues and friends!

I give the results so far of playing with the wattmeter (I am in love with this device):

grandma's TV including antenna - 40-50W
our TV - 40W
laptop 1 and 2 - about 30-35W (per head)
microwave - 1050W
bathroom stove - 1840W
hair dryer - from 200W to 800W
old oven - 2200W (he is not used at all, 1995 vintage out of curiosity I turned on)

and queen - prehistoric refrigerator - 100-120W

baby refrigerator this new, it didn't even start the meter, only when I opened it then 14W, I suspect she "freezes" every so often...

sometimes in the outlet I have 217V ....

Refrigerators had to be measured how much they consume in 24 hours because they cycle on.
I have an old Polar that consumes 1kWh/day.

At my place, an old refrigerator of Lithuanian origin once consumed 1.1 kWh per day. Refrigerators work in cycles, breaks between cycles last about 45min-1 hour.

Hello

In the case of refrigerators, we do not measure its instantaneous power (what it draws at a given time), because it does not make sense.
My recently purchased Samsung sometimes draws 0W, other times 15W, sometimes 40W, but once I caught it drawing 160W.

By the way, taking advantage of the fact that some colleagues are confused by the units, I would like to remind you that power (that is, the rate at which energy is drawn) is measured in watts (W) or kilowatts (kW).

The energy consumed is measured in kilowatt-hours (kWh). My refrigerator on a daily cycle consumes less than 0.6 kWh. In a monthly cycle it will be less than 20kWh.

Large energy consumption of old refrigerators can have a trivial cause, such as damage to the door seal, through which warm air gets inside.

sage
-DAREK-.

Hello
I did an experiment with a refrigerator that had been working without failure for more than 42 years. After transferring the contents to a smaller refrigerator (a small one with a capacity of about 1/3 of the old one), the energy consumption was almost identical and was about 0.4kwh for about 9 hours. The small refrigerator, which was several years old, consumed the same amount of energy because its unit turned on noticeably more often. In addition, it worked a little louder. I made the comparison over a period of hot weather over a week. I read the energy consumption from the meter for billing.

The energy consumption stated in the post is entirely possible.
Greetings

Yes, I know dear ones that I should keep this old refrigerator for 24 hours, maybe someday Nevertheless, now that we have replaced the bulbs with LED ones, and some individuals including me do not run off to the purifier while washing ourselves the bills are much lower, they have gone below 300zł. Now it's 340zl, but that's during the period when the wood saw was on the go and the lawnmowers plus all the stuff titled "We're cleaning up for the summer," however, it's still perfect compared to the old days.