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Ventilation bathroom + toilet block - The idea of ventilation - consultation

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  • #1 16169269
    morysowaty
    Level 2  
    Good morning,

    This is my first post. The topics were similar, I started a new topic because I have a specific question for my ventilation idea and I need consultation.

    Ventilation bathroom + toilet block - The idea of ventilation - consultation

    As you can see in the attached drawing, I have a bathroom and a toilet next to me. The apartment is attic, with weak gravity. The ventilation duct is next to the toilet (duct only to my apartment), in which there is a Junkers Cerapur Acu Smart stove with a closed combustion chamber.
    Doors to both bathrooms with ventilation notches. Currently in the toilet there is a fan coupled with the lighting, and in the bathroom, a fan from the bathroom is connected to the same duct via a cable above the suspended ceiling - the solution is inefficient - moisture condenses in the duct (the duct goes through the unheated attic), at the same time a large part of the air returns to the toilet . Similarly, when the fan in the toilet is running - some air returns to the bathroom.

    My idea of ventilation is shown in the picture.
    Between the bathroom and the toilet, two vents (to be considered), one of them has a fan.
    The fan in the toilet stays as it was.
    I would like both fans to turn on simultaneously when turning on the light in the bathroom or toilet (I don't know how to technically solve it).

    The idea is that the air from the bathroom is blown into the toilet (the fan is 120 m3 / h) and the other air is sucked into the ventilation duct (180 m3 / h). Both fans are timed (no hygro).
    The gravity thrust with the fan off in the toilet is small, but it is, so I was thinking about a second opening between the rooms, but I don't know if it makes sense?

    I would like to add that now, because some of the air returns through the second pipe, I do not feel a large "loss" of air in my apartment. When the fan will blow 100% (i.e. theoretically 180m3 / h), will it not be too much with longer (~ 30min) work - the apartment has 80m2. I have ventilation slots in three roof windows.

    Thank you in advance for any answers and suggestions.
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    #2 16169320
    ellagib
    Level 14  
    Leave the fan in the toilet or install a more efficient one. Blind the ventilation from the bathroom to this vent. Holes in the door or a grate from the bathroom to the toilet. Then the air from the toilet and through the toilet from the bathroom will be extracted with one fan to the duct, and with the blocked duct, the bathroom will not be returned there. There are smaller openings in the toilet and bathroom door than between the bathroom and the toilet. Toilet door 1/3 hole bathroom - toilet, bathroom door 2/3 or same size.
    The question is whether this channel is not shared by another apartment. There are regulations specifying the use of mechanical ventilation in multi-family buildings.
    It is a mistake to use two fans.
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  • #3 16169531
    morysowaty
    Level 2  
    Thanks for the answer. I also thought about such a solution. The ventilation duct is only to my apartment. Your idea is the simplest and the opening between the bathroom and the toilet I do anyway, so I will test this solution. I'll let you know how it works.
    Maybe someone else will propose something in the meantime.
    Thank you and best regards.
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    #4 16169534
    ellagib
    Level 14  
    You have to take care of the openings in the door so that some air is extracted from the bathroom.
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    #5 16207100
    1702
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    1 the water is condensing in the pipe because it is not insulated.
    2, one fan is enough for both rooms. Install a tee next to the fan installed in the ventilation riser. Insert the ventilation ducts into the tee. horizontal. Leave one end in the toilet and pull the other end through the wall into the bathroom. Install air intake valves at the ends of the pipes (adjust them later).
    3 To remove used air from these rooms, fresh air must be brought in, otherwise the extractor will not work properly.
    greetings
    1702
  • #6 16271898
    morysowaty
    Level 2  
    Ventilation solved by the easiest way - a ventilation grille between the bathrooms.
    The fan is turned on by the light from both bathrooms (on the relay), according to the idea https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2273097.html

    It's all right now, and it will be even better if I reduce the air vent in the door to the smaller bathroom.

    Thanks to everyone for your help. Case solved.

    greetings
    Maurice
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