Alto TS 215 Speakers - Tweeters Disengage: Phantom Power Mistake with Behringer QX1222USB Mixer

I have a problem, we once again give warranty on the alto ts 215 speakers because the high-tone loudspeakers get off. We have a Behringer qx 1222 usb mixer, we took a picture of how we usually set everything in the sense of high, mid, low etc. The gentleman from the music store said that everything is in the best order. There is only one small detail, our mixer has two switches, normal Power and phantom. We used both and we already know that this is a mistake, because phantom is used when you have condenser microphones and we do not use such events. We always have 3 wired microphones connected, a set of wireless microphones (in hand and ear), 3 keys and a laptop. My question is, is it possible that turning on the phantom may have caused the loudspeakers to disengage? I would add that we used phantom on old speakers and nothing happened.

Bineks wrote:

The question is, is it possible that turning on the phantom may have caused the loudspeakers to disengage?

This is possible, but only when you turn on phantom because then there is quite a strong "tap" in the columns. Then, when phantom is enabled, it has no effect. It happens that phantom can damage wireless microphone receivers, or plug the outputs of another device connected to XLR sockets, but this is not the case.

The tweeters are usually damaged when the signal is distorted or when there are feedback. Unfortunately, neither can be determined on the basis of photographs, I do not know on what basis the seller could say anything. You would have to be at the party where you use this equipment.

Each time both speakers fall and in addition at the same time?
Give a picture of the settings of this mixer.
What do you use these columns for?
Maybe you just require too much, from basically amateur, 250W speakers with 1 "driver.

Greetings.

DjMapet wrote:

Maybe you just require too much, from basically amateur, 250W speakers with 1 "driver.

"Alto TS215 15" Truesonic 2200W Active PA Speaker "Even the title found on one of the websites of the distributor of this equipment gives food for thought ...
"Young talented" buys such inventions and thinks that the stadium will be publicized ...
With all due respect to the Author - in fact 98% of the fault is always on the user's side: Stopper, excitation of the microphone, playing "plug-in" at many hours of events ... No column in this class can endure such treatment without prejudice.
And as for the remaining 2% (although partly due to the user's fault), it is possible that the amplifier gets a signal from the mixer (source) with some parasitic excitations / harmonics frequencies that unnecessarily (because they cannot be heard anyway) load the tweeter.
The speaker's factory defect can be eliminated - it is impossible that the fault repeats repeatedly.

Besides, calling this something a driver is something odd: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Alto-Profess...r-TS210-TS212-TS215-AXUS-Speaker/331804079329 a losing it with a 15 "midbass is a total mistake.
For me, a tweeter with a 1 "coil is at most a tweeter.

Greetings.

You know no, both got off first, not at the same time but within one song. We got new ones and one got off. After the exchange, two events survived and one of them got off again. Well, after the next exchange, we have peace (we don't use phantom) so far with that I don't know if it matters, but we gave the set, which is one good, the other, and we took the ones that got off both at the very beginning after the warranty. Every game, however, we have fear that one or both will fall again. We use them to organize events.

With all due respect to the author - really 98% of the fault is always on the user's side: stop, excite the microphone, play "plug" at long hours of events ...

I know what I'm doing with all due respect, disturbance? Excited microphone is not possible because I set the slider at the beginning as in the photo above, then singing set the gain so that the indicator does not even flash. As for the keys, everything is centered except the bass (low) because it controls the volume through the keys, also making sure that the indicator does not flash. There is one more thing we observe now, namely, we power both columns from one socket and we did not do it before, and you also advised us from a music store because there could be 2 different sockets in 2 different sockets. And I really don't know if the puzzle is solved or we are still afraid.

There is no puzzle here. These columns are simply not suitable for this application.
You play special events, so the loudspeakers definitely play under the cork and forgive, but even knowing what you are doing, you are not able to control it 100% from the stage. There will be a slight distortion and you will not hear it, and the tweeters will be damaged.

When it comes to what you do:

Bineks wrote:

Excited microphone is not possible because I set the slider at the beginning as in the photo above, then singing set the gain so that the indicator does not even flash.

So you do exactly the opposite of what you should do. The gain is set correctly first, and then the channel fader opens (or at least I was taught and I do).

I don't know why it's always true in the eyes of the wheel ...
The author bought "stage" loudspeakers with "excellent quality" and "full sound" (I won't even mention it) and expects them to meet the conditions that someone wrote? More humility towards yourself and less trust in sellers.
Anyway, I still insist on what I wrote in the 4th post.

You can see that playing in tension, stress, knowing that something will fall at any moment, is not comfortable.
I recommend getting rid of these speakers, or use them as stage auditions, and buy the front as far as professional and adequate power.
If you play occasional cards up to 100, up to 120 people, then Dave 15G is enough. If it is also a bit larger, or something stronger (discos, concerts?), Then it is better to invest in something stronger and what, it depends on the budget.
In the meantime, set up Gain as col. @-ArtuR- k. and make sure CLIPs do not light up, both on the mixer and on the panels of the columns.

Greetings.

I try to control as much as I can because I have a mixer right next to the keys ... Gain first? Based on what should I set gainy for? Voluntarily I can set the gain in the middle and maneuver the slider? Is this a good solution? Maybe I don't know. I do not accept all this negatively, only the flap with these loudspeakers is positive that we got stuck on it as it is such junk.

Added after 2 [minutes]:

So I am asking for advice about the sound system and something that will definitely last

Bineks wrote:

Based on what should I set gainy for?

Based on the "Level Set" diode which is next to the "gain" potentiometer. In normal mixers, PFL is used for this, but unfortunately Behringer is not normal. Formerly they did PFL, now probably someone came up with the idea that you can do even cheaper, and they did.

In the manual of this mixer, you will probably find a description on how to use gain, fader, and color correction.
Also remember that color correction will be associated with gain correction.
LEVEL SET and CLIP LEDs must not be permanently lit. At most, they can barely flicker in the top parts, and in this case it is better to perform gain correction. Of course, this applies to all channels, regardless of whether a microphone or instrument is plugged in or any other sound source.
On the forum and on the web you will find some material regarding this important issue.

Greetings.

Not completely. Unfortunately, the cheaper mixer caused the impediment to correctly set the channel sensitivity.
This should be set so that the LED lights constantly with a continuous signal (e.g. music with a fairly balanced level of dynamics), while with signals with a large dynamic range it should light up only at louder sounds.
Translating it more to the practical side - it should blink when speaking, while it should shine constantly when singing. At the same time, make sure that the "clip" LED does not light up.
Durne, but unfortunately ...

However, it is not true that tone control affects gain - no, it does not affect, but affects the overall signal level in the channel (before the fader) and excessive boost on the tone controls can cause overdriving - that is, lighting the "clip" diode.
Therefore, there is a rule - you should avoid raising anything whenever possible.
You should also minimize spinning with gain only when playing, because it affects the level of the signal sent to AUX. In general, gain should be set once and then not touch it.

Since I stopped using the phantom switch the speakers are playing and I am even happy with them. So Seller from the music store 1: 0 all the rest. I understand that these may not be high-end loudspeakers but why immediately come up with stories that we don't do with a mixer. Anyway, thank you for your help.

Well, congratulations on the mixer that burns the tweeters after pressing the phantom

I don't know if you're in the subject but I used phantom without having a condenser microphone in my band and from what you said from the phantom music store you just use it when you have it. Yes, I know it is my fault but everyone instead of approaching the matter normally which can be the real reason, of course, got wise about the knowledge of loudspeakers, which is not crap ... Maybe it is but for this price I am happy.

You see, you don't understand that the phantom power turned on in the mixer has absolutely nothing to do with the speakers burning in the speakers. Even when the phantom is turned on, when only the dynamic microphones are connected to the mic preamplifiers of the mixer.
How satisfied are you with the columns in which:

Bineks wrote:

Tweeters step out

This is your business.

Greetings.

So it is clear from this topic: the Lord from the store knows better than people with decades of experience.
I do not understand your claims that in your opinion no one approached the topic normally.
So what did you expect?
Even in the first post you admitted to a mistake that was later confirmed by people from the forum and also said gentleman from the store.
And the speakers are not really a high shelf, so it's not surprising that most of them referred to the poor performance of the sets.

I close the topic at the author's request (and with an appropriate summary of my colleagues).