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What wire cross-section should be used?

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  • #1 16220203
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    Hello, I am going to power the device with two voltages: 3.3V and 5V.
    Cable in two sections: 12 meters and 3 meters. What is the minimum cross-section to use? The maximum current is 1A.
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    #2 16220258
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    What voltage drop do you allow on the wires? The cross section of the wire depends on it.
    If the drop does not exceed 5%, the cable cross-section is 2.5 mm2 for the lower voltage and the 12 m section.
  • #5 16221802
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    vodiczka wrote:
    What voltage drop do you allow on the wires? The cross section of the wire depends on it.
    If the drop does not exceed 5%, the cable cross-section is 2.5 mm2 for the lower voltage and the 12 m section.

    As small as possible, close to 0.
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  • #6 16221827
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    Then refer to the calculator that I gave in post # 4 and calculate it yourself.
    "as small as possible" is not an answer worthy of a technical forum. You need to know what voltage drop will not interfere with the operation of the device and choose the right cable.
    When specifying "close to 0", the correct answer to the question what the cross-section should be is: "very large" :)
  • #7 16221840
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    maybe a superconductor? :)

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    On Alledrogo, the seller described the cable as follows:
    6 x O 0.5 mm Cu Wire

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    Second Auction:
    CABLE 8 wires x 0.15mm + SCREEN
    ROUND, 8x0.15 COMMON SCREEN, COLOR: BLACK
    diameter with 5 mm insulation

    Added after 22 [minutes]:

    At 12 meters, 5V and 1A comes out 2.5mm2. Or:
    diameter = square root (area / pi)
    diameter = 0.892mm
    I need 3 wires so I will use this first product
    6 x O 0.5 mm Cu Wire
    and I will give two wires for one.
    This way, 1mm diameter will come out.
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  • #8 16221962
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    rafik73 wrote:
    diameter = square root (area / pi)
    The wire with a diameter of 0.892 mm has a cross-sectional area of 0.625 mm2 and not 2.5 mm2
    A colleague incorrectly transformed the formula into the cross-sectional area (S) of a conductor with a diameter (d)

    S = ?d2 / 4
  • #9 16222235
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    And because I have calculated the circle from the field. :)
    For me it is a bit over the top, for 3.3V 1.5A and 12 meters
    a cable with a cross-section of 4mm2 was needed.
    1.5 is used for lighting in the house or even for sockets.
  • #10 16222276
    Freddy
    Level 43  
    rafik73 wrote:
    And because I have calculated the circle from the field.
    The colleague has a special pattern on the circle field?
  • #11 16222358
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    area = pi * diameter2

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    Sorry, I forgot the diameter is radius * 2

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    or:
    radius = square root (area / pi)

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    I was basing the formula on the radius, not the diameter
  • #12 16222409
    ladamaniac
    Level 40  
    rafik73 wrote:

    For me it is a bit over the top, for 3.3V 1.5A and 12 meters
    a cable with a cross-section of 4mm2 was needed.
    1.5 is used for lighting in the house or even for sockets.

    You see, with a 2000W angle grinder, the wire size is 2.5mmkw. At twelve volts, a starter with twice the power needs 25mmkw. Why?
  • #13 16222410
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    Anyway, I will be forced to provide 220V voltage at these 12 meters, then a computer power supply, 3.3V and 5V, connected to the device with a 3-meter cable
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  • #14 16222416
    ladamaniac
    Level 40  
    It will be easier, pay some attention to the places where the wires are connected, with careless installation, as a rule, there are the greatest voltage drops, not on the wires.
  • #15 16222438
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    ladamaniac wrote:
    You see, with a 2000W angle grinder, the wire size is 2.5mmkw. At twelve volts, a starter with twice the power needs 25mmkw. Why?

    Now it is clear why transmission lines transmit voltage in kV ;)

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    It will destroy the concept a bit, but at least I will sleep well in terms of current efficiency.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    http://elemarek.republika.pl/tabele/obciazalnosc_pirectow.gif
  • #16 16222518
    ladamaniac
    Level 40  
    Nice tables, but for 220V or 230V. 2 volts drop at 230V and the same 2 volts drop at 3.3V, however, is the percentage difference.
    A colleague of the vodiczka gave the answer in the second post.
  • #17 16222529
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    Calculation of the diameter from the cross-sectional area:

    diameter = ? (4 * area / ? ;)

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    ladamaniac wrote:
    Nice tables, but for 220V or 230V.

    Maybe it will be useful to someone

    ladamaniac wrote:
    A colleague of the vodiczka gave the answer in the second post.


    I will consider this solution, although I am more inclined to 220V at 12 meters
  • #18 16223428
    rafik73
    Level 13  
    I think the topic has been sufficiently covered. Thank you for your help.
    Subject to be closed.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate wire cross-section for powering a device with two voltages (3.3V and 5V) over distances of 12 meters and 3 meters, with a maximum current of 1A. Key considerations include allowable voltage drop, with a recommendation of not exceeding 5%. For the 12-meter section at 5V and 1A, a cross-section of 2.5 mm² is suggested. Various calculations and formulas for determining wire diameter and area are discussed, including the use of online calculators. The conversation also touches on practical aspects of wire installation and the importance of minimizing voltage drop at connection points. The author expresses a preference for using 220V for the longer distance to improve efficiency.
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