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How to connect a connector - Candlestick connector connecting the lamp with one

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  • #1 16242310
    Canadian82
    Level 9  
    Hello to all members of the Forum

    I have the following problem

    Previously, a lamp with three bulbs was connected to the candlestick connector. However, at the moment I am planning to connect a lamp with one bulb.

    I have three wires: blue, black and gray.
    They are connected to the connector as follows:
    How to connect a connector - Candlestick connector connecting the lamp with one łączni..jpg Download (1.69 MB)

    However, on the lamp in the ankle I have LN markings and grounding in the middle.
    How to connect a connector - Candlestick connector connecting the lamp with one lampa.jpg Download (518.46 kB)
    I understand that we connect blue to N, while we connect black to L only and isolate gray?

    Thanks in advance for any comments
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  • #2 16242572
    szulec125
    Level 13  
    So yes, you have three wires coming to your candlestick switch:
    - black, which is the power cord
    blue - which powers part of the lamp (e.g. 2 bulbs)
    brown (I do not see the gray wire there) - which powers the other part of the lamp (e.g. 1 bulb)
    So you need to connect the brown (phase) wire to the new lamp and the neutral wire that comes from the switchgear or box to the N (neutral) input.
    Insulate the blue coming from the candlestick switch so that it does not confuse with the neutral wire.
  • #3 16242628
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    szulec125 wrote:
    So you need to connect the brown (phase) wire to the new lamp and the neutral wire that comes from the switchgear or box to the N (neutral) input.
    Insulate the blue coming from the candlestick switch so that it does not confuse with the neutral wire.

    What about protective?

    To the author - have you dismantled the old binding? Give a photo of her terminal block and outlet (wires protruding from the ceiling).
  • #4 16242703
    opornik7
    Electrician specialist
    zbich70 wrote:
    Give a photo of her terminal block and the outlet (wires sticking out of the ceiling)

    You're counting on PE :D
  • #5 16242770
    Vytautas_YT
    Level 30  
    Did the colleague check the wires in the switch box? I know that black should be in phase, but it's better to apply the rule of limited trust and check the wires. Recently, I was surprised how I dismantled several cans in the installation. If everything is as it should be, your colleague wrote in the first answer.
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  • #6 16244188
    Canadian82
    Level 9  
    The old cube looked like this:
    How to connect a connector - Candlestick connector connecting the lamp with one stara ko..a.jpg Download (2.02 MB)

    The connection was as follows
    black cable - middle of the ankle
    blue cable - left side of the ankle
    brown cable - right side of the ankle

    Thanks for any comments
  • #7 16244218
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    To tell the truth, it is not known whether you can connect a new lamp to this outlet, there is no protective wire in the power cable that the lamp requires, and we do not know the power supply system of your apartment.
  • #8 16246445
    szulec125
    Level 13  
    Canadian82 wrote:
    The old cube looked like this:


    The connection was as follows
    black cable - middle of the ankle
    blue cable - left side of the ankle
    brown cable - right side of the ankle

    Thanks for any comments


    There is clearly something wrong with the color of the wires.
    Therefore, if you have a voltage tester (read: a neon lamp), check which wires coming out of the ceiling have voltage. Of course, you have to do this in two positions of the switch to clearly define the phase conductors and the neutral conductor. It may also be that the lighting is controlled by the neutral wire, so it is possible that the phase will be on only one wire. Let me know what came out for you :)
  • #9 16246936
    Vytautas_YT
    Level 30  
    That is why I am writing to check where the phase is, because for me recently, when I started altering the installation, it turned out that some wise man made neutral switches for several lamps in the attic. Better to know what you put your hands in ;)
  • #10 16251188
    and61
    Level 27  
    Canadian82 wrote:
    I have three wires: blue, black and gray.
    They are connected to the connector as follows:

    Hello, please check with the neon indicator if black is phase
    Canadian82 wrote:
    I understand that we connect blue to N, while we connect black to L only and isolate gray?

    To be sure, you need to know how the wires in the box above the connector are connected, besides IF you have a protective wire in the lighting circuit (which I doubt) then the gray wire should be marked with green-yellow insulation and connected to it as required

    Moderated By retrofood:

    Once you got a warning, are you tempted again?

  • #11 16251501
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    and61 wrote:
    then the gray wire should be marked with green-yellow insulation and connected to it as required


    ... and after turning on the second button on the switch, supply voltage to the lamp housing :D
    Where is this protective "wrapped" to come from if we do not know the network layout :?:
  • #12 16251687
    and61
    Level 27  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    Where is this protective "wrapped" to come from if we do not know the network layout :?:

    Please read and quote the full statement, not a fragment, I wrote in the full statement about the green and yellow wires
    and61 wrote:
    besides IF you have a protective conductor in the lighting circuit (which I doubt)


    I don't know what your experience is, buddy, but WHEN (in the times of the reigning TN-C system) in housing construction, even zeroing was not used for lighting

    And by the way, if this is a forum for professionals in the electrical / electronic industry, why will no one reply in any thread: " Please refer the matter to an electrician / electronics engineer since there is no knowledge to do the job "? Only fortune telling is advised what to do and how to punch points
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  • #13 16252714
    szulec125
    Level 13  
    and61 wrote:



    And by the way, if this is a forum for professionals in the electrical / electronic industry, why will no one reply in any thread: " Please refer the matter to an electrician / electronics engineer since there is no knowledge to do the job "? Only fortune telling is advised what to do and how to punch points


    Because that's what this forum is for giving advice. And writing a note right away to call an electrician misses the point. Because sometimes a professional electrician can kick your installations
    And as for the punching, you did not contribute anything to the thread ?
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  • #14 16253121
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    and61 wrote:

    Please read and quote the full statement, not a fragment, I wrote in the full statement about the green and yellow wires


    What will it change that I will quote the whole sentence if you advised the layman to wrap the phase wire with yellow-green tape and connect it to the lamp housing.

    and61 wrote:
    And by the way, since this is a forum for professionals in the electrical / electronic industry, why will no one reply in any thread: "Please hand over the matter to an electrician / electronics engineer if there is no knowledge to do the job"? It is only advised when divining from coffee grounds what and how to do, punching points


    Why do you predict the coffee grounds yourself and give harmful advice without knowing the basic answer, which is the type of power network.
  • #15 16255331
    and61
    Level 27  
    Ok, Ok, I made a mistake advising to make the connection on one side by marking the wire, leaving the default to disconnect the gray wire from the connector in the box and connect it to the protective wire IF IT EXISTS. .

    this guess is the same mistake as asking an amateur about the power supply
    how should an amateur know this, because for him the letters TT, TN-C, TN-S do not mean anything (I do not mention IT, because you will not experience it in a flat)
  • #16 16255416
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    and61 wrote:
    Ok, Ok, I made a mistake advising to make the connection on one side by marking the wire, leaving the default to disconnect the gray wire from the connector in the box and connect it to the protective wire IF IT EXISTS. .


    In the end it got what my friend ...

    and61 wrote:
    this guess is the same mistake as asking an amateur about the power supply
    how is an amateur to know,


    Well, that's where he gets the energy bills from his energy supplier.

    and61 wrote:
    after all, for him the letters TT, TN-C, TN-S mean nothing (I do not mention IT, because you will not experience it in a flat)


    For the author, it may not say anything, but we need this information to write whether the lamp is safely connected to the outlet he is planning.
  • #17 16255950
    Vytautas_YT
    Level 30  
    I shoot, but it seems to me that the lamp is probably made of metal (I mean the construction) and that is why the protective conductor is connected. Recently, I have installed one at home, and since I have the installation from xx years ago (no protective line and, horrifyingly, all the wires in the installation are white), I simply did not connect the protective lamp from the lamp and I suspect that my friend will have the same / similar situation. At least the wires are in color, not Mono like mine ;)
  • #18 16255955
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    bzyniu28 wrote:
    I just did not connect the protective lamp from the lamp

    So a friend made a categorical mistake and is still boasting about it here.
  • #19 16256003
    opornik7
    Electrician specialist
    bzyniu28 wrote:
    I just did not connect the protective lamp from the lamp

    And he did not reset? :D
  • #20 16256284
    Vytautas_YT
    Level 30  
    I know colleagues that I should at least do the reset, I was supposed to reset it but I gave up because, as I mentioned, the installation is old and modified several times by several "experts" in various ways. During the last renovation of one of the rooms, it turned out that in several places where there should be no tension, there is voltage. So in this case, I decided to skip the reset of some circuits for the moment and the beginning of spring will probably be general fun with the entire installation.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around connecting a single-bulb lamp to a candlestick connector previously used for a three-bulb lamp. The user has three wires: blue, black, and gray, and seeks guidance on their proper connections. Responses emphasize the importance of identifying the phase (L) and neutral (N) wires, with suggestions to connect the black wire to L and the blue wire to N, while insulating the gray wire. Concerns are raised about the absence of a protective wire and the need to verify wire functions using a voltage tester. The conversation highlights the risks of incorrect wiring and the necessity of understanding the electrical system in the user's apartment.
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