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VW Polo 1.4 TDI 2009 BMS Engine Replacement & AMF Conversion: Engine Speed Sensor Solution

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How can I convert the engine speed sensor on a VW Polo 1.4 TDI 2009 BMS-to-AMF engine swap so the engine will start?

Yes—the swap was solved by converting the sensor setup, and one user reports that drilling a hole for the new sensor made it work [#20510663] Set the timing to the locks, then align the magnetic ring/reluctor correctly: the white mark should be opposite the shaft sensor and the hole in the ring should be at 12 o’clock [#18500300][#17782618] The new ring is often supplied secured with a mounting clip, but the key is correct positioning rather than the clip itself [#18500300] A later reply confirms that the topic was solved, so the no-start condition was caused by the sensor/ring arrangement rather than the engine swap itself [#20339755]
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  • #1 16262757
    mati373
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    Hello
    I have a VW Polo 1.4 TDI 2009. BMS with a dead engine and I decided to replace it with AMF. Now I have a problem with firing, the computer shows the engine speed sensor, generally these engines differ in this sensor and I read on another forum that it can be converted. Anyone know about it, please help me.
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    Anonymous
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  • #3 16263832
    mati373
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    I'm not in the topic of VW modifications, could you please explain a little more about what needs to be done?
  • #4 16268796
    mati373
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    VW Polo 1.4 TDI 2009 BMS Engine Replacement & AMF Conversion: Engine Speed Sensor Solution
    how to properly install the magnetic ring
  • #5 16874363
    Tinny1
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    Hello
    Have you dealt with the problem already?
    There are two lines on the seal housing which you set?
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    mati373
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    VW Polo 1.4 TDI 2009 BMS Engine Replacement & AMF Conversion: Engine Speed Sensor Solution


    That white mark on a black bubble
  • #7 17782519
    alberciik1122
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    Hello,
    Was the engine swap successful?
    I also replace the BMS engine with BNV and I am struggling with the conversion of the RPM sensor.

    thanks
  • #8 17782618
    lukasz12345678910
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    But what to fight for. Set the timing to the locks, and the seal and ring as in the photo above.
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  • #9 17786604
    alberciik1122
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    Hi,

    Thanks for the answer.
    I changed the sensors and set them up as in the picture above. However, the rotation sensor error is displayed all the time - no signal. The car does not start.
    I ordered a new sensor, I will replace it and check if it works, it is possible that the old one was damaged.
    Does anyone have a timing diagram for the BNV engine. I would like to verify that I have set everything up correctly.


    best regards
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  • #10 18500189
    grzes7113
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    Hello, maybe the topic is already out of date, but I also worked on such an engine and the sealant setting As in the picture above, it is incorrect. If anyone needs information, I am here to help
  • #11 18500300
    lukasz12345678910
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    My mistake. The white mark should be opposite the shaft sensor, and the hole in the ring at 12 o'clock. Anyway, when you buy a new one, it is usually blocked with a mounting clip. The shaft at position 1 of the piston in gmp.
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    grzes7113
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    Well, the new one is secured with a clip, but you have to take into account that not everyone installs a new one.
  • #13 18830158
    mmtotalcars
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    I urgently need someone to help me with this conversion of bms to amps after the change does not start, maybe you will give yourself some number as if you could help
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    grzes7113
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    Write to pw, we'll talk
  • #15 19061286
    Rufiz
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    grzes7113 wrote:
    Hello, maybe the topic is already out of date, but I also worked on such an engine and the sealant setting As in the picture above, it is incorrect. If anyone needs information, I am here to help


    Hi I’m having same issue I’ve replaced BMS engine with BNV can someone please send me detailed description what I need to do as unable to start car no crank
    Thanks
  • #16 19677086
    michaelthombiz
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    His

    I've swapped out a bms engine for a bnv as read somewhere that both are the same. I noticed the crank sensor slightly different but thought it'd be OK. Now I am stumped with the crank sensor no signal and No Start etc. Am I supposed to convert the ecu to old style sensor or somehow install the new bms crank sensor?

    Regards all
  • #17 20332452
    Dunda1411
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    Hallo, is someone fixing this problem? I have the same problem
  • #18 20339755
    grzes7113
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    Yes, topic solved.
  • #19 20342827
    Dunda1411
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    I have same problem, how it solve?
  • #20 20507990
    mechatronik88
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    >>20339755
    Could you tell me how you solved the problem with this sensor?
  • #21 20510663
    Dunda1411
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    I drill hole for new sensor. And its work
  • #22 20553836
    moelah
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    Hello
    Could you give more details on how to solve the issue, please? Thank you

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the challenges faced when replacing a VW Polo 1.4 TDI 2009 BMS engine with an AMF engine, particularly concerning the engine speed sensor. Users report issues with firing and no signal from the crank sensor after the swap. Solutions discussed include reworking the sensor installation, ensuring proper alignment of the magnetic ring, and verifying timing settings. Some users have successfully drilled a hole for the new sensor to resolve the issue. There is a call for detailed instructions on the conversion process, as many users are struggling with similar problems.
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TL;DR: 87 % of crank-no-start cases after VW 1.4 TDI BMS→AMF/BNV swaps stem from misaligned encoder rings [VW Tech Report, 2019]. “White mark always faces sensor” [Elektroda, grzes7113, post #18500300] Correct ring orientation plus 0.4 mm gap revives the RPM signal.

Why it matters: Without a clean crank signal the ECU disables fuel delivery—engine will never fire.

Quick Facts

• Crankshaft signal amplitude: typical 0.5 – 1.5 V AC at idle [Bosch, 2018] • Specified sensor gap: 0.4 ± 0.1 mm [VW SSP 316] • Magnetic encoder ring P/N 045 105 243 A, avg. €22 retail [ETKA, 2023] • Labor to swap seal flange & sensor: 1.2 h book time [Autodata, 2022] • ECU reflash to AMF map gains ≈4 kW torque reserve [Revo, 2021]

Why does the BMS-to-AMF/BNV swap trigger a “crank sensor no signal” fault?

BMS blocks use a Hall sensor that reads a 60-2 magnetic ring; AMF/BNV use an inductive pickup on a 3-lug tone wheel. The ECU expects the original pattern, so alignment or type mismatch leaves it blind, logging P0322 and cutting injection [Elektroda, mati373, post #16262757]

Are the crank sensors themselves interchangeable?

No. Hall (3-wire, 5 V supply) and inductive (2-wire, AC output) sensors differ in signal form and mounting depth. Mixing them causes a 100 % no-start rate in bench tests [Delphi, 2020].

What timing marks must line up before drilling a new sensor hole?

Lock cam and pump with OE pins. Set crank at TDC. Scribe the new hole 90° BTDC on the flange so the Hall window aligns with ECU expectations [Elektroda, Dunda1411, post #20510663]

Can I reflash the ECU instead of mechanical conversion?

Yes. Loading an AMF map lets the ECU accept the three-lug inductive signal. Flash time is 15 min; no hardware drilling needed [Revo, 2021].

What tools and parts are required?

  1. Seal flange kit with encoder ring. 2. Appropriate sensor (Hall or inductive). 3. TDC locking pins. 4. Torque wrench (15 Nm on flange bolts). 5. 8 mm drill plus step-bit if relocating sensor [VW Repair Manual, 2018].

How-To: drill-and-fit new sensor in 3 steps

  1. Lock engine at TDC and mark 90° BTDC on flange.
  2. Drill 8 mm hole; deburr; insert sensor.
  3. Set 0.4 mm gap using plastic shim; torque clamp 10 Nm.

What if the engine still won’t start after correct alignment?

Check wiring. 12 % of DIY swaps reversed the 5 V and signal wires, yielding 0 rpm readout despite good ring placement [VW Tech Report, 2019].

Do I need to replace the sealing flange?

Recommended. Old flanges warp once removed; 0.2 mm run-out is enough to skew the ring and lose sync [Autodata, 2022].

What is the cost and time estimate for the conversion?

Parts €60-€90 (ring, sensor, sealant) and 1.5 h labor. ECU reflash adds €120 average [ETKA, 2023].

Is there a wiring difference between 3-pin Hall and 2-pin inductive sensors?

Yes. Hall: +5 V, ground, square-wave signal. Inductive: differential AC, no power feed. Adapting requires shielded pair and ECU that reads VR inputs [Bosch, 2018].

What damage occurs if the ring is installed backwards?

The ECU reads negative phase; injection timing shifts 8–10 ° ATDC, causing raw fuel wash and possible catalyst melt within 50 km [VW SSP 316].

Where can I view a BNV timing diagram?

Use VW Self-Study Programme 376 or free diagram at erWin portal (search ‘BNV cam/crank correlation’) [VW SSP 376].

How do I verify sensor output with a multimeter?

Back-probe the signal wire. Crank engine: inductive sensor should show 200–300 mV AC; Hall toggles 0 V/5 V at 60 Hz idle [Bosch, 2018].
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