[Solved] Connecting Onkyo TX-8270 & Klipsch RP-280F: Melodika MDC2250 vs QED XTC-100 Cables (2x2.5m)

Hello, what do you recommend for connecting Onkyo TX-8270 with Klipsch RP-280F? I got suggestions for such Melodika MDC2250 or QED XTC-100 cables, but opinions are divided, some complain, others don't, and I have no way to check it. I read that the Melodika MDC2250 moves back the treble and strongly warms the bass, i.e. it becomes calmer if I understand correctly, and there is not much about the QED XTC-100 on the web. I expect nicer sound but also strong and fast. Maybe you have better suggestions for cables or maybe it's not worth investing in expensive cables? I need 2x2.5 m of cable at a price of up to PLN 40 per meter. Regards

Hello

Buy 2x2.5mm2 copper speaker cables or whatever you want, 2x4mm2. Oxygen-free copper does the trick. Everything else that warms, cools, enhances, recedes comes from the evil one and is just gibberish.

Regards

Christian

I understand, but what company do you have any suggestions? I don't know about cable companies and I don't want some cheap Chinese ones. What can you say about the cables I provided, good or bad? Because the price is cool per meter. As for the sound thanks to the cables, you say that it's gibberish that some play well and others badly? So why do many forms write about cables that they can widen the propagation of sound and the other can muddy it, etc.?

Kuźwa, how can a cable warm up the bass or push back the treble? Does it have a built-in filter? Electrons slow down? As a colleague wrote, oxygen-free 2.5mm2 cables of basically any company and after the trouble. Just do not buy the cheapest because they are probably not made of copper.

Hello

I don't mean a specific company. Look for pure copper speaker cable. Price per meter in the range of PLN 3-6. I don't know what quality they have, but for me the price is exaggerated. Copper will remain copper, insulation will remain insulation, and electric current will be electric current. Making sound theories for cables according to for me is to trick the client.

Regards

Christian

Mateo89 wrote:

So why do many forms write about cables that they can widen the propagation of sound and the other can muddy it, etc.?

Because they are hardware masturbators.
In order to possibly hear the difference (which I doubt), you need to have equipment for several dozen thousand zlotys. zlotys.
If you want a branded cable, I recommend the ProCab, well made and reasonably priced.

I understand and thank you for your opinions, now I know what more or less to look for, i.e. pure oxygen-free copper cable. If you have any other suggestions, I'll gladly read them and take them into account because I'm not very familiar with this type of thing.

Hello

Mateo89 wrote:

If you have any other suggestions, I'd be happy to read them and take them into account because I'm not very familiar with this type of thing.

In my stereo system (HK 3770 + Tannoy Mercury V4i) I use 2x2.5 copper speaker wires in a transparent sheath, Hama, bought at the time at Saturn, cut from a roll.

Get 2x2.5mm Procab cables and you're done.

Thanks for the answers, so I won't invest in some expensive cables because it doesn't make sense.

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Buy the Belden 9497. And don't listen to the nonsense that cables don't affect the sound of the system. This is written by those who have not been able to listen to decent sound and the influence of cables on the final effect.
And it's best that you find out for yourself by renting some better cables and comparing them to those from Biedronka. If you do not feel the difference, you will be richer for your own experience (not to mention the money you will not spend on cables). And that is priceless.

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Melepeta36 wrote:

This is written by those who have not been able to listen to decent sound and the influence of cables on the final effect.

Where do these conclusions come from?

Melepeta36 wrote:

Buy the Belden 9497. And don't listen to the nonsense that cables don't affect the sound of the system.

With this class of equipment, do you think the difference will be noticeable? The equipment class and cable class must be balanced.
In addition, the author of the thread did not write what will be the source of the sound. In the end it will turn out that it will mainly be radio, film and mp3.

Melepeta36 wrote:

And don't listen to the nonsense that cables don't affect the sound of the system. This is written by those who have not been able to listen to decent sound and the influence of cables on the final effect.

We are in the tech forum. There are technicians, engineers, practitioners, and for us, some idiotic texts, not confirmed by any measurements, that someone hears the difference between a cable for 10,000 and a copper wire, are just a placebo effect or a deliberate punching in the bottle.
There are dozens of spectrum analyzer measurements that show little difference between cheap and branded cable. If you have a difference of 0.1dB, you have absolutely no chance of hearing it. I don't think I need to write what is the resolving power of the human ear when it comes to sound intensity?

My friend talks about quantity (0.1dB) and I talk about quality. And I'm sorry I got in among the crows and I don't caw like them. My mistake. The author of the thread should ask this question in another forum.

Many factors affect sound quality, but these cables are overkill link
I used to be an audiophile and rented many cables for auditioning, and I heard the differences as much as I wanted
I didn't really hear a difference.
Only those who have equipment worth tens of thousands of zlotys and listen to classical music can hear it.

As for the purchase of cables, it is enough to buy an oxygen-free copper cable, i.e. OFC, with a thickness of 2x1.5 or 2x2.5 mm, depending on the power of the amplifier, for a price of up to about PLN 10. per meter. A few days ago I bought the MELODIKA OFC 4N BWC2150 2x1.5mm cable because I needed a white cable and it sounds the same as my previous Japanese one, I don't remember the company name 2x4mm for PLN 13. per meter.

ATTENTION to cheap CCA OFC cables because they are cables with an aluminum core covered with copper.

I once read a text on an audiophile forum where one of the companies went to the AUDIO SHOW fair and they forgot to take the speaker cables with them, so they flew to the store and bought an ordinary orange garden extension cord and connected the speakers with it. People passing by were asking what kind of cable it was, what manufacturer, etc. because the loudspeakers emit great sound and they thought it was thanks to this orange cable

Melepeta36 wrote:

My friend talks about quantity (0.1dB) and I talk about quality.

And how does Colleague measure quality? The amount of distortion? Each copper cable will introduce a similar amount.

AxelNext wrote:

Only those who have equipment worth tens of thousands of zlotys and listen to classical music can hear it.

They don't hear. They think they hear.

AxelNext wrote:

I once read a text on an audiophile forum where one of the companies went to the AUDIO SHOW fair and they forgot to take the speaker cables with them, so they flew to the store and bought an ordinary orange garden extension cord and connected the speakers with it. People passing by were asking what kind of cable it was, what manufacturer, etc. because the loudspeakers emit great sound and they thought it was thanks to this orange cable

Standard. If you buy a roll of installation cable (wire) 6 square and sell it for a hundred per meter, I guarantee that there would be people who would claim that they hear the difference. this is the placebo effect.

Melepeta36 wrote:

And I'm sorry I got in among the crows and I don't caw like them.

You just make up theories that sound masturbators can believe, but not technicians. If I do not see the difference on the screen, I will not believe that the human ear can be more sensitive than measuring devices.

Melepeta36 wrote:

The author of the thread should ask this question in another forum.

Why? He asked here, where we give him a professional answer, not on the forum, where they recommend the use of bamboo cable pads.

To sum up.
There's a high-level signal here. You have to try hard to break it. The magnetic field of the Earth or WiFi is not strong enough to affect this signal, so you can even use installation wire (this is how I have my equipment connected at work) and there will be no difference between it and a cable for a hundred per meter. It's just copper in insulation. The sound quality can only be affected by the impedance of this cable. If we wind 20 turns of this cable on a steel rod along the way, it will certainly not be better, but if we have two sections of a straight cable, then if the copper wire is of a similar quality (pulling method), then the resistance will be comparable, so the difference in sound will not will be.
The situation is different in signal cables. Where the signals are small, the susceptibility to interference is very high. Here, the execution and even the type of insulation between the hot wire and the braid is really important. But let me tell you one thing, buying a cable for PLN 1000 per meter is plain stupidity. I make my own instrument cables. I import very good measuring cables from Taiwan, priced at PLN 30 per meter, double shielded. With proper mass management, hums are forgotten.

Quality is not measured. Quality is what you listen to when it comes to music. Paintings by van Gogh or Picasso also measured by a spectrometer?

Melepeta36 wrote:

Quality is not measured. Quality is what you listen to when it comes to music.

Oh mother...

Melepeta36 wrote:

Paintings by van Gogh or Picasso also measured by a spectrometer?

We are not talking about the artistic value of the work. We're talking about sound quality. This can be measured by the amount of signal distortion. Artistic value has nothing to do with it, because the measurement can be done using pink noise. If you say that the change in sound depending on the cable cannot be measured, then forgive me, but we have nothing to talk about.

The cable for PLN 20 and more is also made of copper, it differs only in nicer insulation.
It scares me that so many people fall for the bottle.

10 years ago I bought 2x4mm2 at a bargain price on Allegro, I didn't know myself well, I didn't even notice that it was copper-plated or painted aluminum. After a few years, I replaced it with real copper, and what? And nothing Absolutely no difference. And I have decent equipment, I did the tests on electronic music where the amount of detail knocks off my feet.

Jean Michel Jarre - I recommend it to anyone who has decent speakers and wants to hear a little more than usual.

As usual, a discussion between the techs and the obsessed.
Rent expensive cables and test the sound quality by powering speakers through them and through ordinary electric ones. The switching operation is to be performed by a second person and you cannot know what cables you are playing on.

Zbigniew 400 wrote:

As usual, a discussion between the techs and the obsessed.
Rent expensive cables and test the sound quality by powering the speakers through them and through ordinary electric ones. The switching operation is to be performed by a second person and you cannot know what cables you are playing on.

The whole truth. A whole lot of audiophiles have already fallen on such a test.

I posted a link but no one seems to have looked at it
http://www.pcworld.pl/news/Audiofile-instead of-markowych-kabli-za-250-zl-uzyjcie-zwyklego-drutu,142664.html

Gentlemen, this topic was not meant to lead to a dispute, and as you can see, everyone has a different knowledge on this subject. Considering everything you wrote here, I conclude that even if the cables give better quality, it will not make a wow effect for me as an ordinary music listener and there is no point in investing in expensive cables, so I will stay with my previous thought and buy cheap cables, of course, not the cheapest, but such for about PLN 8 per meter.

Mateo89 wrote:

Gentlemen, this topic was not meant to lead to an argument

There is no dispute here, on the contrary, we all agree that a wire is a wire and does not affect the sound quality.

Mateo89 wrote:

no point in investing in expensive cables

Exactly.

Mateo89 wrote:

I'll stay with my previous thought and buy cheap cables

For your own well-being, buy OFC oxygen-free copper and you will be satisfied.