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ICR18650-26F Battery Pack with BMS: Is a 29.4V Power Supply Sufficient for Charging?

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  • #1 16397763
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    Hello

    I have an ICR18650-26F battery package with BMS. Is there a special charger needed to charge this package or is it enough for a 29.4V power supply? As if the balancer should secure the package, but I do not know.
    greetings
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  • #3 16397785
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    I know, but what is the difference between charger and power supply? only that the charger will disconnect the current with the appropriate voltage of the package anyway?
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  • #4 16397812
    piotrek86
    Level 22  
    A good charger not only loads but also watches over voltage, current, temperature and time, even evaluates the condition and capacity of the cell.

    You have to watch over the power supply because sometimes the error can be dangerous for you and the link.
  • #5 16397822
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    i.e. the power supply must only give the maximum current how much can it absorb the batteries like this? and then it can be on the power supply? I am talking about a good impulse power supply, eg Mean Well
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  • #6 16397844
    piotrek86
    Level 22  
    Everything as in the specification: charging voltage 4.2V, charging current 1.3A max 2.6A temperature max up to 45 degrees, and charging method CC-CV
  • #7 16397847
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    I just do not understand this CC-CV method. Because I have a power supply selected with max voltage and max current, but I do not understand charging characteristics. Should the controller increase the voltage and current itself? Is it possible to disconnect the current only at full charge or at the proper voltage?
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  • #9 16397884
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    that is, it would be necessary to measure the charging voltage (this is already done) and the current control. what if we leave the possibility of charging max power from the charger to the end?
  • #10 16398127
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    The charger is supposed to act as a laboratory power supply, limiting the current if the voltage is below 4.2V ? 0.05V (for one cell), when the voltage reaches this value the current drops "alone" when the current drops below 0.05C, the charging should be stopped. The voltage measurement must be quite accurate, the "indicator" in the power supply may not be enough.

    By reducing the maximum charging voltage and discharge depth, you can increase durability by accepting a lower capacity.
  • #12 16398397
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    In the first post you asked if a special charger is needed, it is not necessary if the charging parameters match.
    The answer to the question whether a given power supply is suitable for charging is not so simple, because it is determined not only by the catalog parameters, it also depends on the construction we do not know, so you do it at your own risk (unless you ask the power supply manufacturer or you can).
    If you have to buy anyway, it's better to buy factory-ready equipment for charging.


    Example:
    I had an impulse power supply with a built-in crowbar overload protection (which short-circuits the overvoltage), I learned it only when the smoke went off the power supply after connecting the battery (Pb but not significant), the power supply was not adapted to such a connection and did not have a fuse after on the other side of the crowbar.

    The maximum fast charging current of this battery is 2.6A, the minimum setting of this power supply is 2.5A, so it would only be possible to charge quickly. Fast charging is faster by only half an hour and the battery life will be less. The rest of the parameters are ok
  • #13 16398601
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    sorry I did not specify a bit of charging current because the packet is 7s3p so the standard charging current is 3x1.3A = 3.9A

    I will say it again. A certain company used a charger for li ion, but after some time they switched to this power supply, what I proposed only I do not know if they added some security or not, but rather they did not change anything in the construction of the device in which the battery was charged. So the charging parameters match but there must be a break which disconnects the charging after reaching 4.2V on the cell. Is it then enough to have such a power supply and a sensor that will completely unplug this power supply when it reaches the correct voltage?
  • #14 16399487
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    TMEA wrote:
    Is it then enough to have such a power supply and a sensor that will completely unplug this power supply when it reaches the correct voltage?

    The shutdown is to be in CV mode but after the current drops below 130mA
  • #15 16399490
    TMEA
    Level 16  
    and how to physically do it (CV)? do you want to let the current go through some resistor?
  • #16 16399658
    Karaczan
    Level 42  
    Guys, but he has a battery with a balancer, not the links themselves!
    A good BMS will check the links and limit them according to their state of charge in the serial connection.
    However, how your BMS works, only he knows that you, after appropriate measurements during charging.
  • #18 16921057
    rs2580
    Level 15  
    I will refresh because the answer did not come.
    So if the battery has a balancer, then he takes care of all the charging parameters, and the so-called the charger should only have enough voltage and current to meet the set parameters, which in many balancers are programmed via USB computer? (or they are made for a specific type of cells)

    I'm right?
  • #19 17795985
    romanewas
    Level 12  
    I want to hook up to the topic because I am trying to buy a LiFePo4 battery from CHRL with built-in BMS but I have no idea what charger / power supply I can use? The battery card is attached. It shows that the charging method is 0.2C (0.5A) CC / CV. The battery is to be used on a houseboat and charged from a solar cell (mono-crystalline power between 260W and 300W - supply voltage certainly above 14.6V) and from the 120W motor yacht's alternator. The question is whether I can use two solar panels or even more to charge this battery safely and without loss of capacity (i.e. the power of the panels respectively 520W or 780W?). Would you also need a separate voltage regulator for these panels?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the charging requirements for an ICR18650-26F battery pack equipped with a Battery Management System (BMS). Users inquire whether a 29.4V power supply is adequate for charging, highlighting the distinction between a charger and a power supply. It is emphasized that a proper charger not only provides the correct voltage but also monitors current, temperature, and cell condition, ensuring safe charging. The CC-CV (Constant Current - Constant Voltage) charging method is explained, indicating that the charger should limit current and voltage appropriately. Users discuss the necessity of a BMS for balancing cells during charging and the importance of using a charger that matches the battery's specifications to prevent damage. Recommendations include using a charger designed for lithium-ion batteries and ensuring that the power supply can handle the required current and voltage parameters.
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